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**JimD** · Mar-16-2005, 12:15pm

Sure -- I'll be happy to post it in an appropriately mando-friendly key.

I have Finale -- how can I post music here?

It is probably too simple for words but humor me.

Jim

**Embergher** · Mar-16-2005, 12:24pm

I'd post it by putting it on a page of my website and then make a link, but I wouldn't know how to do it without a website ... (by email is possible of course)

**Embergher** · Mar-16-2005, 12:28pm

Jim, I have Finale as well ... If you want I'll make a PDF file of it and post both the Finale and PDF file so that any of us can download what they need...
(my email= ralf@mandolin.be )

**Eugene** · Mar-17-2005, 12:37pm

I was kind of being facetious regarding the dies irae, but hey, it's suddenly seeming quite cool. I doubt I'll find the time to contribute, but may and am certainly curious to see what comes of it.

**Neil Gladd** · Mar-17-2005, 12:39pm

The Dies Irae works for me. I would recommend starting on the note C, which would put it in A minor, a good mandolinny key.

I have the Elke Tober-Vogt Carneval of Venice, and it is written in a 19th century style. I thought the Valentine Abt variations were both more interesting and more difficult, with extended passages using pull-offs, and alternating between arpeggios and harmonics.

I have a few pages of sketches written, and while the mandolin is playing the opening theme, the guitar part sounds more like Webern.

**John Zimm** · Mar-17-2005, 12:54pm

I just noticed this thread. This sounds like a fun idea. Mind a latecomer?

-John.

**Jim Garber** · Mar-17-2005, 1:16pm

Does anyone have a source for the melody? Is JimD starting this?

Jim

**Daymando** · Mar-17-2005, 3:13pm

Originally Posted by (jgarber @ Mar. 17 2005, 13:16)

Does anyone have a source for the melody? Is JimD starting this?

Jim

I'll pull my copy of the 'Liber Usualis' and make that info available when I get to the house later this evening, if no one has responded with the chant line.

This is intriguing.

-Allen.

**John Craton** · Mar-17-2005, 4:01pm

Originally Posted by (Daymando @ Mar. 17 2005, 15:13)

I'll pull my copy of the 'Liber Usualis' and make that info available when I get to the house later this evening,

I pulled out my Liber last evening and skimmed through it trying to find it, but w/o success. Any idea just where I should be looking?

**bratsche** · Mar-17-2005, 4:05pm

Here's a link that may be helpful. Easy to transpose, but it's a fifth below Neil's recommended key.

(Maybe a good mandola-y key?)

bratsche

**Jim Garber** · Mar-17-2005, 4:34pm

Is this correct, transposed to A minor?

Jim

**Daymando** · Mar-17-2005, 4:36pm

Originally Posted by (bratsche @ Mar. 17 2005, 16:05)

Here's a link that may be helpful. Easy to transpose, but it's a fifth below Neil's recommended key.

(Maybe a good mandola-y key?)

bratsche

That's it -- and that looks like a very good mode: with two octaves in just first position alone, it's replete with possibilities!

I can hear the dolas ponderously laboring already...

-Ar.

**pklima** · Mar-17-2005, 7:14pm

Originally Posted by (jgarber @ Mar. 17 2005, 16:34)

Is this correct, transposed to A minor?

Jim

That's it but there should be more to it... I have it in a fake book (in D minor) and there are a few more different phrases after that. Unfortunately I don't have any notation or MIDI software and won't have access to a scanner until Monday.

**JimD** · Mar-17-2005, 7:57pm

Hi all,

Sorry to be so out of touch the last couple of days. I have been playing a pit orchestra gig this week (evenings except for the matinee today) and my wife and I had a gig as clinicians for the Mass. Music Educators conference today. So -- I have been a bit distracted.

Nice spring break, eh? Not complaining though -- I love the work.

Anyway -- yes, Jim the version you posted is good. Thanks for that.

The original chant is longer but this is the well-known part and is probably plenty for a theme and variation project.

I think the whole chant is 4 pages long or something like that -- my Liber Usualis and Psalterium Monasticum are at my church office. I won't be able to check until Sunday.

But -- Why don't we run with this much of it? It's totally appropriate to do that and much more manageable.

Now, are we writing these variations for mandolin solo or for mandolin and guitar?

My vote is for mandolin and guitar.

**JimD** · Mar-17-2005, 8:46pm

Actually this may be the whole tune. I wish I remebered or had access to my L.U.

The text is much longer but I think the melody repeats.

It has been a while...

**John Craton** · Mar-17-2005, 9:06pm

Originally Posted by (JimD @ Mar. 17 2005, 20:46)

Actually this may be the whole tune. I wish I remebered or had access to my L.U. The text is much longer but I think the melody repeats.

Finally found it in my falling-apart copy of L.U. Here is the first page (for reference only):

**JimD** · Mar-17-2005, 9:20pm

Thanks John.

So, the melody repeats at "Quantus Tremor..." with a new section beginning at "Tuba Mirum..."

At "### reserget" the first phrase repeats again.

I do think the whole melody is too long for variations, though. As rich a melody as it is, it would be a bit unwieldy.

Can we agree to use just the 3 lines that Jim Garber posted?

-- perhaps repeated...

**JimD** · Mar-17-2005, 9:24pm

Come on now!

We can't post in Latin without having some kind of bowdlerization of the text?

Yikes!

**pklima** · Mar-17-2005, 10:48pm

Yes, we can use the first three lines only. Sorry I started this whole "shouldn't there be more" confusion...

**Embergher** · Mar-18-2005, 6:55am

Originally Posted by (JimD @ Mar. 17 2005, 19:57)

Now, are we writing these variations for mandolin solo or for mandolin and guitar? #
My vote is for mandolin and guitar.

I also prefer to write for mandolin and guitar.

The a minor key is very well suited for that combination ... for mandolin solo I think I would have liked better g minor (any key is possible of course).

**Plamen Ivanov** · Mar-18-2005, 7:53am

Yea, "these three" in "A minor key" and "mandolin and guitar". We are working...

Good luck!

Plamen

**John Bertotti** · Mar-18-2005, 8:25am

Interesting to see that some would prefer mando guitar. Why not mando and octave dola? Is it that much harder? Thank John

**Plamen Ivanov** · Mar-18-2005, 9:43am

No, John! It`s just because, my guitar colleague is going to write his part. If it was mandolin and "octave dola" I should write both parts!

Speaking seriously the mandolin and guitar, mandolin and piano duos seem to be more succesful, than any other mandolin and ... May be there will be few emotional reactions to this statement, but it`s a fact. Speaking about the range of the instruments, even statistically... But let us not going deep in this and difract from the topic.

Good luck!

**dunbarhamlin** · Mar-18-2005, 9:52am

Originally Posted by (reesaber @ Mar. 18 2005, 14:25)

Why not mando and octave dola? Is it that much harder?

Agree. Never owned a guitar, and suspect I'm not the only one without formal compositional skills who could be put off by restricting the form to include 'foreign' instruments.

How about mandolin and guitar/CBOM?

Unsure how much time I'll have for this, but I'm repatriating a Hullah 10 string OM this coming week, and it would be a fun way to familiarise myself with the new toy #

**Jim Garber** · Mar-18-2005, 9:57am

Perhaps those of us without the guitar-composing skills can just compose a solo mandolin part. At those points in the performance the guitarists can have a coffee break

Jim

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