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    I've just figured out how to write in multi-voice ABC Plus format, so here is my variation again, this time with both parts combined on a single staff (played in different octaves, of course). The conversion site I use can't cope with the time signature being different in the two voices, so the guitar is notated as being in 3/4 for the measures in which the mandolin is also 3/4, but the grouping of the notes should make the intended 6/8 clear.

    How is everybody else doing? Any comments from guitar (or indeed mandolin) players on whether this works at all?

    Martin

    PS: As I've now had my classically trained (as a woodwind player) girlfriend look at the score, I'd suggest that any guitarist who has a similarly violent reaction as she had to some of the dissonant intervals between melody and accompaniment should just arpeggio "A,EA EAe" all the way through, as indicated in the last two measures of the printed guitar part before the repeat sign and ditch the interspersed countermelody notes.

    X:1
    T:Dies Irae (Mandolin)
    C:Martin Jonas
    M:6/8
    L:1/8
    N:Play open strings where possible.
    R:
    Q:1/4=120
    K:Amin
    V:mandolin
    "mandolin"|:cde dcB|[M:3/4]c2 Ac Be|ge Ac Bc|[M:6/8]c2 c d2 B|
    V:guitar
    "guitar"|:A,Ec EBe|A,Ec EAe|A,EB EGe|A,EA EAe|
    V:mandolin
    cde dcB|[M:3/4]A2 G2 B2|c2 B2 A2|A6|
    V:guitar
    A,EB Ece|A,EB EAe|A,EA EAe|A,EG EAe|
    V:mandolin
    [M:6/8]cde dcB|[M:3/4]c2 Ac Be|ge Ac Bc|[M:6/8]c2 c d2 B|
    V:guitar
    A,Ec Ece|A,Ec Ede|A,Ec EBe|A,EA EGe|
    V:mandolin
    cde dcB|[M:3/4]A2 G2 B2|c2 B2 A2|E4 G2|
    V:guitar
    A,EA EAe|A,EA EGe|A,EB EBe|A,Ec Ece|
    V:mandolin
    [M:6/8]Ace ecA|[M:3/4]A2 GB cB|1c6:|2A6|]
    V:guitar
    A,EB EBe|A,EA EAe|1A,EA EAe:|2[A,6E6A6e6]|]



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    Hello!

    We are ready with our variation. I just have to find some free time to type it on my Note-typing program. I missed how the things are going with this project, so what do I have to do next - post it here, send it to JimD or both?

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by
    We are ready with our variation. I just have to find some free time to type it on my Note-typing program. I missed how the things are going with this project, so what do I have to do next - post it here, send it to JimD or both?
    Just post it here. It will be a reminder to the rest of us to get ours done.

    Looking forward to seeing yours...

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    Greetings fellow composers and other interested parties.

    I have finally gotten around to writting a humble contribution of my own for this project.

    But I have been trying to upload an image for a half hour without success.
    It is in jpg format.
    any ideas?

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    Scott posted this to help post images.

    Otherwise, I also emailed you directly. Send it to me and I can post the jpeg for you.

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    JimD ... I look forward to your project contribution ... maybe this will help you upload your image ...

    Grandmainger has created a tutorial for "How to post an image that is located on your computer" to the Cafe Message Board ... the file size must also be no larger than 100 kb ... http://www.grandmainger.com/picpost/upload.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by (o2b.pickin @ April 10 2005, 21:57)
    the file size must also be no larger than 100 kb ...
    This must be a new development: being able to upload larger files. It used to be 76.8kb max.

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    I do remember reading awhile-back, in some other thread, someone else noting this new increase in uploaded image-size ... Will this help make any difference with the viewing resolution for notation images?

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    Here is page 1 of JimD's variation.

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    Here is page 2.
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    Jim--Thanks for your help with that.

    Inspired perhaps by the fact that we are varying an ancient liturgical chant, #I found myself drawn to the style of Arvo Pärt for this variation.

    Quarter note at a steady 56 bpm throughout. Theme in the mandolin, first and then in the guitar. Let everything ring as long as possible -- like bells.

    Low notes in the guitar part are to be played by striking the strings with the thumb near the bridge (tambora)




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    JimD --

    Good to see your variation -- I was starting to feel a bit lonely in this thread! Together with Plami's written-but-not-yet-typed variation that makes three, and hopefully a critical mass to inspire others.

    I see you went for a much slower tempo than I did, and the interplay between guitar and mandolin looks intriguing. This looks like a real composer's piece, not a hack like my attempt. As an aside, your annotation "Let everything ring as long as possible -- like bells." also applies to mine: all possible open E and A strings should be played on both guitar and mandolin and they should be left ringing as drones as long as possible.

    A technical note for those who find Jim's score difficult to read on the screen: this is the result of the automatic scaling that the Cafe software does for oversize pictures. The actual image quality is much better than it looks on the screen. To view or print it in full size on PCs with Internet Explorer: right-click on the picture and select "Save image as...", then open it separately. On PCs with Firefox: right-click and select "View image". I don't have a Mac around, but would imagine it's intuitive.

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    Shocking how different the quality is on different computers.

    It looked fine on my Mac at home but absolutely awful on the PC at the conservatory. Yikes!

    Thanks, Martin, for the viewing advice

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    I've got mine sketched out. It's really horrible with lots of nasty chromaticism! I'll try to settle the details and post at least a handwritten version in a few days.
    Peter Klima (not the hockey player)

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    Well, I tried. The basic idea was to use "scary" intervals as much as possible - minor seconds, tritones, a few minor thirds. It's terrible but I had fun. Maybe this will encourage some more of us amateurs to post their own because they sure can't be any worse.

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    Part 2...
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    Part 3... with some real dreadful guitar chords near the end!
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    Looks intriguing. I've just hacked it into abc to make it looks a bit tidier. That's a whole lot of accidentals...

    Martin

    X:1
    T:Variation on Dies Irae
    T:after the style of really terrible death metal
    C:Piotr Klima
    C:Slowly with theatrical dynamics
    M:4/4
    L:1/8
    R:
    K:Amin
    V:mandolin
    "mandolin"c2^F2z4|c2^F2z4|B2F^Fz4|z 4_B,2A,2|
    V:guitar
    "guitar"z4[=F4B,4]|z4[_E4A,4]|z4[_D4G,4]|A,2_B,2_B,2A,2|
    V:guitar
    "guitar"z4C2^DE|z4cB=AG|z4G,2^A,B,| z4CB,A,2|
    V:mandolin
    "mandolin"C2^DEc2^de|_B2A2_A2z2|G2^ABG,2 ^A,B,|c2B2_B2A2|
    V:mandolin
    "mandolin"E2G2_B2A2|A2c2^F2G_B|=B2f2_g4& #124;c2B2f4|e2_B2B2BB| [A8E8A,8]||
    V:guitar
    "guitar"z2[_B2G2E2]z2[c2A2^F2]|z2[c2A2^F2]z2[d2_B2G2]|z4z2[B2f2_g2]|z4z2[c2f2b2]|\
    [_G,2C2F2^A2B2e2][G,2C2F2A2B2e2][G,2C2F2A2B2e2][G,2C2F2A2B2e2]|[A,8A8c8e8a8]||
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    Thanks, Martin! I was planning on spending a little time figuring out how to make this ABC stuff work but you've saved me the trouble. Much appreciated!

    Now someone post a good variation, please.
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    Hu, here it is at long last:
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    Three weeks after the last post, I'm wondering if this is still alive. Is anybody still working on their variation? Has anybody other than the composers played any of the four variations that have been posted so far and has any comments on them?

    Not having a guitarist to hand, I am somewhat compromised in trying to play Jim's or Peter's versions. Plamen's variation looks like one should be able to get at least a feel for it from playing the mandolin part alone -- I'll give it a go and see how I get along.

    Martin




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    Hello Martin,

    Yes, I was wondering, if I was the one, that killed not just the topic, but also the idea with our variation.
    Hope someone will dispel (or confirm) my doubts.

    Good luck!
    Plamen

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    I haven't the skill or vocabulary to attempt this yet but am watching with anticipation every time a new piece pops up. Keep it up! John
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    I'd still love to contribute if the deadline hasn't passed. I have a crazy week but could do one next week if it isn't too late.
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