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    Iam using a shure beta 98H mic for my Gibson, Iam looking for advice on preamps

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    If it is the version with XLR termination it already has a matched preamp built in.

    All you need to do is to run an extension balanced XLR cable to the stagebox or desk... and plug that into a mic channel with phantom power enabled. Nothing more. That's it.
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    I think that it might help if Kevin tells us why he thinks he needs a preamp?

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    It would help a lot. There are very few occasions where a separate preamp would appropriate for a live microphone. What a lot of people do not fully understand is that a mixing desk is a whole bank of preamps. Usually organised as:

    1. Mic level preamp
    2. Channel EQ
    3. Master section

    The only time you might possibly need a separate preamp would be if you had run out of mic preamps and needed to inject your mic into a spare line-level input. Even if you want to d something unusual such as run FX on a mic'd instrument, you are usually best off doing that from the channel insert rather than via a separate pre, then FX, then out to the desk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almeriastrings View Post
    It would help a lot. There are very few occasions where a separate preamp would appropriate for a live microphone. What a lot of people do not fully understand is that a mixing desk is a whole bank of preamps. Usually organised as:

    1. Mic level preamp
    2. Channel EQ
    3. Master section

    The only time you might possibly need a separate preamp would be if you had run out of mic preamps and needed to inject your mic into a spare line-level input. Even if you want to d something unusual such as run FX on a mic'd instrument, you are usually best off doing that from the channel insert rather than via a separate pre, then FX, then out to the desk.
    Many mixers have cheap pre-amps that don't sound very good or are sterile. If you have a high end gorgeous sounding pre-amp or even one that cost a couple hundred bucks, I'd always consider it an option and probably choose that over whatever is in the mixer unless it's a Neve or something like that. Depends on the mic too - some mics you can't tell the difference, but with better mics any flaws in the pre-amp become noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayAreaDude View Post
    Many mixers have cheap pre-amps that don't sound very good or are sterile. If you have a high end gorgeous sounding pre-amp or even one that cost a couple hundred bucks, I'd always consider it an option and probably choose that over whatever is in the mixer unless it's a Neve or something like that. Depends on the mic too - some mics you can't tell the difference, but with better mics any flaws in the pre-amp become noticeable.
    But usually in a live situation these nuances are hardly noticeable. Recording in the studio might be annother story.

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    The preamps in most modern, mid-priced mixers these days are normally perfectly useable - and if by chance it is such a pile of junk they are not, the rest of it is probably equally nasty, so you are not going to gain much advantage. Some of the smaller, reasonably priced mixers have genuinely nice pres (and EQ): A&H Zed's, Soundcrafts, Mackie Onyx, Yamaha's, Presonus etc.. all entirely up to the job they have to do and certainly as good as anything you you can buy for a couple of hundred. In fact, some of the external pres out there (especially the starved-plate 'tube' models) are quite a bit worse than what you get on an A&H or Soundcraft!
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    see Below ..
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    You Mean these : http://www.shure.com/americas/produc...ent-microphone

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    The Beta 98 H/C and WB98 H/C feature transformerless preamplifier circuitry which improves linearity across the full frequency range.
    The pickup pattern provides high gain-before-feedback and excellent rejection of unwanted noise.
    Its high maximum sound pressure level (SPL) enables it to handle the extreme demands of brass, woodwind and percussion instruments.
    The Beta98H/C features a 3 m (10 ft.) high-flex cable with attached preamplifier (XLR connection)
    The WB98H/C features a 1.6 m (5.3ft) high-flex cable terminating in a 4-pin mini-connector, for use with wireless bodypack transmitters
    Tailored frequency response for open, natural sound reproduction
    Compact, lightweight construction provides a low degree of visibility
    Gooseneck, ratcheting swivel joint and gooseneck angle brace allow for optimum placement and fixed positioning
    Legendary Shure ruggedness and reliability
    Interchangeable replacement cartridges:
    RPM108 : Cardioid
    RPM110 : Supercardioid
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    I have used the guitar effect box (either chorus or compressor) as preamp and it works quite well for me.
    These boxes allow to change various settings to get the sound you want, at least the sound you may like to play with.

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