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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    Jerry Rowland 1980, in 83380065, if I understand the numbering correctly.
    This says 1980, assuming that's correct I'll change his listing to reflect that.
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    Changed to add a year to Jerry Rowland.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

    * Denotes there is a picture of a signed label in this thread
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    Just an added note that is elsewhere in this thread: Although this is called Gibson Head Luthiers it is in reality a list as close as can be determined by labels and records of who signed Gibson and Flatiron labels by year. If you have a signed label that you cannot recognize, a label signed by someone not listed, or have a label with a signature that falls outside the dates listed for the particular signer of labels please post a picture of the label. I'd like to thank the OP for starting this thread an everyone that has contributed. This is actually a nice resource.
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ID:	196721Found this listing for an F5-L

    Serial No. 80551083

    Signed by Gene M Rufel, 5/27/1981

    Great history in this thread!

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    Changed to add Gene M. Rufel.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *
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    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
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    If Bobby Osborne, Ricky Skaggs and Doyle Lawson etc can be considered for the list, I would suggest Dennis Balian be added. He was general manager during the switchover, and had a role in the shop for years with “hands on the mandolins” work…
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    Did he sign any labels? Has anyone got an image of a signed label? I'm more than happy to add people if there is something that shows they had a signature on a label. We have a few Gibson General managers that signed labels.

    The subject is misleading. What it says isn't what this turned out to be.

    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/t...=1#post1836126
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    Can anyone determine the actual spelling of the name on that label? I don't want to guess and get it wrong.
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    Most often misspelled name ever….lol! Dennis A Balian
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    Added Dennis A. Balian:

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *
    "It's comparable to playing a cheese slicer."
    --M. Stillion

    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
    --J. Garber

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    Another clarifying note. Gibson purchased Flatiron in 1987. Flatiron labels signed after that time are technically Gibson products built by Gibson employees.
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    Mac Morris, 1980. No label yet but an ad for an F5L sold at Carter's that mentions the instrument, signature and date.
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    Added Mac Morris:

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Mac Morris (1980)
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) *
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

    * Signed label in thread
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    --M. Stillion

    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
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    There apparently was an error introduced into the original list at one point where Charlie Derrington's date advanced beyond 2003 with no mention or picture of a found label. I have adjusted Charlie's date. If anyone has a signed Derrington label after 2003 please post it. Thanks.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Mac Morris (1980)
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2003) * #
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

    * Signed label in thread
    # Date adjusted
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    June 11th, 2004. And certainly a fine mandolin!

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    His last sign label was in January 2005. I will find a picture and post it later today. It was in the master model that Bill Lily had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleshicks View Post
    His last sign label was in January 2005. I will find a picture and post it later today. It was in the master model that Bill Lily had.
    Please post the image, I just want to try and keep this list right.
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    When we get the 2005 label for Charlie we will return it to the 2005 date. Thanks everyone.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Mac Morris (1980)
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2004) * #
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

    * Signed label in thread
    # Date adjusted
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    Here it is.
    '02 Gibson master model #70327 02-01-02
    '25 Gibson A-4 Snakehead #82626
    '06 Hicks #1 and #2 F-5 still not done

    Gibson F-5 Master Model Registry

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    Charlie actually signed quite a few in 2004. Here’s a screenshot of the master model list. I have pictures of a number of these ones labels.

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    '02 Gibson master model #70327 02-01-02
    '25 Gibson A-4 Snakehead #82626
    '06 Hicks #1 and #2 F-5 still not done

    Gibson F-5 Master Model Registry

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    OK, back to the way it was. I'm assuming the OP found this out but it wasn't documented by that point. It was just odd. I went back and re-read up to that point where it changed but there was nothing to indicate why it changed. Thanks again.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Mac Morris (1980)
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) * #
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *

    * Signed label in thread
    "It's comparable to playing a cheese slicer."
    --M. Stillion

    "Bargain instruments are no bargains if you can't play them"
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    For posterity, the Gibson 1923 reissue label released in 2023 with a facsimile signature of Lloyd Loar on the label.
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    Added Lloyd Loar Facsimile label for 2023.

    Lloyd Loar (1922-1924) *
    Stanley E. Rendell (1970-1975) *
    Carl Spinoso (1976-1977) *
    Wilbur D. Fuller (1978) *
    Richard J. Doan (1978-1981) *
    Aaron Cowles (1978-1984) *
    Herman Meints (1979-1980) *
    Rick Brown (1980) *
    Marvin Lamb (1980) *
    Mac Morris (1980)
    Donald L. Doans (1981)
    Jerry Rowland (1980-1981) *
    Gene M Rufel (1981) *
    Dennis A. Balien (1988) *
    Jim Triggs (1986-1989)
    Greg Rich (1989)
    Steve P. Carlson (1986-1993) *
    Rick Gembar (1994)
    Bill Monroe (1991-1995) *
    Phil Brug (1993-1994) *
    Neal Klemmer, Helen Beausoleil, and Jean Swan (all signed the same label) (1996) *
    Bruce D. Weber (1993-1997) *
    Bobby Osborne (1993-1996) *
    Larry Barnwell (1994-1995) *
    Paul Schneider (1997-1998) *
    Jeff Allen (2000) *
    Simeon C. Daley (1998-2001) *
    Charles Derrington (1987-2005) * #
    Danny Roberts (2001-2005) *
    Doyle Lawson (2003?)
    Casey Q. Sullivan (2005-2007) *
    Ricky Skaggs (2007-2008)
    David W. Harvey (2007-Present) *
    Sam Bush (2012) *
    Lloyd Loar (Facsimile) (2023) *

    * Signed label in thread
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