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    'Kick Out The Jams' by MC5 - just what you need at 17, if you don't drive off the road. Music might indeed change things to some extent.

    'Directly from my Heart to You' - Sugar Cane Harris, amazing violin solo on Zappa's 'Weasels Ripped my Flesh'. Fiddles aren't just for folk.

    Frank Zappa - said something like 'Rock journalism is people who can write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read'. And his music.

    'Memories from a Scotch Sitting Room' by Ivor Cutler, and The Fugs - there really is an audience for all kinds of weird shit out there, and if you want to do it, someone somewhere probably wants to hear it.

    Audiences anywhere I've played - never estimate an audience, either over- or under- .

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxr View Post
    'Kick Out The Jams' by MC5 -
    'Directly from my Heart to You' - Sugar Cane Harris,

    Frank Zappa - said something like 'Rock journalism is people who can write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read'. And his music.

    'Memories from a Scotch Sitting Room' by Ivor Cutler, and The Fugs -
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    Good picks, I must say. Saw Sugarcane once when he was playing in John Mayall's USA Union lineup (the prime reason for driving down to Tampa for the concert). Like John Cipollina (Quicksilver Messenger Service guitarist) he did tend to repeat himself, but both had such a great sound, and when they were nailing it, they were really nailing it. Sid Page from Dan Hicks' Hot Licks was a true monster violinist.

    For some reason, the Detroit rock stuff got a lot on radio airplay in central FL during 68-73. I'd personally go with early Seger over the MC5. Saw the Bob Seger System numerous times at the Orlando Sports Stadium. He was a favorite in Orlando years before any of that Silver Bullet Band stuff. The Mongrel album sold out in the local stores within 2 weeks when if was released. That early stuff was Bob at his best, imo. While not the greatest lead guitarist, I think he lost some of his overall edge when he gave up on it. Like Fogerty, his playing would have gotten better over time, and kept him rocking harder.

    Add the Bonzos and the Holy Modal Rounders to the Cutler/Fugs division!

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    “The Ballad of Davy Crockett”. I was six, and allowed to play that little yellow record all by myself. Music became accessible. It’s been downhill ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandocrucian View Post
    ...Detroit rock stuff...
    I grew up in Detroit - there was a constant din of rock everywhere in my youth. I'm a little younger than you guys as I was just a wee lad in 1970, and the Grande Ballroom - where the MC5, The Stooges, Alice Cooper et al were house bands - was soon to close. I was nearly crushed, twice, at the same Rush concert at the Michigan Palace - all soon to close. By the time I was a teen it was all 'stadium rock' down at Cobo hall. There was soul, motown, and jazz on the radio, but little compared to all the rock that permeated everything. I got my first electric guitar at age 10. In 8th grade I was allowed to skip classes and rehearse my 'band' in the auditorium (a habit I'd never change; in college I spent more time studying music than my proper degree).

    So when I was first exposed to avant jazz - which was not played on the radio - this was what changed my perspective on music: happened to be late Coltrane I picked up at a record store without knowing anything about.

    *I also had an early epiphany when I started learning all the acoustic stuff on Led Zep III - started learning banjo, pedal steel, mndln... That, and Exile on Main St, were this city kid's country music influences
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxr View Post
    Frank Zappa - said something like 'Rock journalism is people who can write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read'.
    Can't write.
    A talent for trivializin' the momentous and complicatin' the obvious.

    The entire staff
    funny....

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    Quote Originally Posted by catmandu2 View Post
    I grew up in Detroit - there was a constant din of rock everywhere in my youth.

    So when I was first exposed to avant jazz - which was not played on the radio - this was what changed my perspective on music: happened to be late Coltrane I picked up at a record store without knowing anything about.
    Ah! This explains a lot of why we agree on so much music. I grew up in Detroit and went to class with Marshall Crenshaw - Rock purist if there ever was one.
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    Hey Doug, ya we talked about that Strings 'n Things shop out on Woodward - where I bought my first good acoustic guitar (Guild D-50, and Flatiron mndln in 82) back in the 70s. My family did the white-flight to the suburbs and I studied (classical guitar) out at Joe Fava's studio in Birmingham.

    But alas, I was too young for the big scene - went to school with Glenn Frey's youngest brother, who is much younger than Glenn, but I didn't know who the Eagles were until later. But Bernie influenced me as I started studying Scruggs banjo then. (Glenn was mentored by Seger prior to moving out west.) I think Bernie was a big influence actually because I recall wanting to be 'the guy who played all the instruments.'


    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    “The Ballad of Davy Crockett”. I was six, and allowed to play that little yellow record all by myself. Music became accessible. It’s been downhill ever since.
    I had that record too and yes I recall the influence it had as well. I always thought it was Jagger/Richards who led me astray - maybe I've been wrong about that!

    *Aw man, i forgot an important epiphany: seeing Shakti in the late 70s (and Shivkumar Sharma, again with Zakir, in the early 80s). That stuff opened my ears for sure. I imagine it was similar for folks a decade earlier when George brought Ravi over.
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    Strings n' Things on Woodward Avenue. I wonder how many others have been thru that place. Madonna was there. I also wonder how diverse a world is that can place a guy like me, or any person to really dig stuff from Marvin Gaye to Mike Seeger to Beethoven on the same day. (I got a classical record at the A&P grocery store on 11 Mile Road at Coolidge with 'green stamps'. It was the Pastoral Symphony.) And then George invites Ravi over. Yikes, that's a long way off from "The Ballad of Davy Crockett" or the Three Chimpmunks.
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    My band played a show in the parking lot of some penguin-themed ice cream joint right on 11 Mile and Woodward, summer ~1975. Stones, Bowie, Cream covers.. There's still that nice church there at that intersection.

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    That would be St. John's Episcopal at 11 Mile Road. In 1975 I had moved to the Bay Area in California, grooving to the Eagles, America and the Doobie Brothers. And then Pink Floyd concerts and Bonnie Raitt gave me and others in the audience wine in paper cups. I'll never forget that one.
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    Kate Rusby.

    Hard stop.

    I was in a shop in Tucson in 1998, heard a voice that I really liked, asked the shop owner who it was, and he absent-mindedly pointed to a CD on the "now playing" stand. i bought the CD and headed out the door. When my wife and I started listening to it as we were driving away, I immediately realized that the voice on the CD (Kate Rusby) was not remotely the voice I'd heard in the shop (who knows, but it was a jazz voice).

    Since that time, I've listened to Kate far more frequently than any other artist. I've always had a very broad musical palette, but she led me into a world of English / Scottish / Irish folk music that was fairly new to me at the time and that has informed my listening and playing more than any other musical style. We made a trip to England to see her at the Theatre by the Lake in Keswick in the early 2000s ... definitely one of the highlights of my concert-going career.

    And all because of an inattentive shop owner who pointed me to the "wrong" artist. Here's to serendipity!

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    That would be St. John's .. In 1975 ...
    Ah I guess it was 74 or maybe even 73...I remember now we were playing jean genie - it was well before when station to station came out.

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    Ah I guess it was 74 or maybe even 73...I remember now we were playing jean genie - it was well before when station to station came out.
    I would have loved to see your band then, as earlier, I played drums thinking I would be the next Ginger Baker. Ha, ha. Thankfully I turned to acoustic guitar and by 1973 I was doing coffee house gigs. Joni Mitchell and James Taylor were much more 'tame'. I did however, zoom up and down Woodward Avenue in my friend's Road Runner. (yikes, were we nuts.)

    We needed someone like Kate

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    That’s a gorgeous tune, also done on Adam Steffey’s ‘New Primitive’ album, fortunately not sung by him
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougC View Post

    See? At 0:57, a capo on a CBOM... like really high. Seventh fret at least!
    No hecklers in the audience.
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    Hey DougC and catmandu2, fellow ex-Detroiter here. Left in ‘77 to come to Austin. I remember Strings ‘n Things. A bandmate managed the store. Do you remember Pick ‘n Strum. Also in Birmingham, the proprietor was named Earl. I bought my first three mandolins there, a Kay, followed by a poorly refinished Gibson A, followed by a nicer A4. There used to be a vibrant bluegrass scene in Detroit. I lived on the west side, then my family moved to Ferndale when I was 10, just down Woodward from you all.

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    Yes "Fragile."

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    Bill Monroe, Master of Bluegrass.

    Blew my mind at 17. Still doing so many decades later.

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    In 1968. I was an 11 year old fan of bands like the Monkees, Herman and the Hermits, etc. I bought a copy of the Mothers' Freak Out! because it looked so strange, and it changed my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twilson View Post
    Hey DougC and catmandu2, fellow ex-Detroiter here. Left in ‘77 to come to Austin. I remember Strings ‘n Things. A bandmate managed the store. Do you remember Pick ‘n Strum. Also in Birmingham, the proprietor was named Earl. I bought my first three mandolins there, a Kay, followed by a poorly refinished Gibson A, followed by a nicer A4. There used to be a vibrant bluegrass scene in Detroit. I lived on the west side, then my family moved to Ferndale when I was 10, just down Woodward from you all.
    Oh yes. Pick 'n Strum was another hang out. I think we went to these places to have the opportunity to play expensive instruments that we could not afford. Also we got tips on interesting tunes to play as well as other recordings to study.

    At the time 1977, I knew of Flatt & Scruggs and saw folks playing bluegrass at the shops. However, I was involved in Stephen Grossmans's finger style music.

    "A little piece of plastic with a hole' - my favorite quote from 'the Mothers of Invention'

    BTW My mother worked at an engineering firm on 9 mile in Ferndale. My dad grew up in Birmingham.
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    Bryan Sutton and Russ Barenburg playing 'Big Sciota' on Bryan's 'Not Too Far From The Tree' album.

    That one song opened my eyes to playing fiddle tunes on acoustic guitar. It changed my entire focus from blues/rock to acoustic flatpicking and by extension, bluegrass.

    And now, I have branched out, and have added mandolin to my playing.

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    I feel fortunate to have grown up in the Detroit area. Lots of music of all kinds, lots of great ethnic food, great art museum, etc.

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    Leo Kottke. “6 & 12 String”, the armadillo album on Takoma Records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twilson View Post
    I feel fortunate to have grown up in the Detroit area. Lots of music of all kinds, lots of great ethnic food, great art museum, etc.
    Detroit has a deep history of jazz, rhythm and blues - Paradise Valley and Black Bottom, for instance - which was long gone before my time. My grandparents lived just up the road in St Clair Shores and I'd like to think they appreciated the incredible scene going on there in the 30s & 40s. But in my day, about the only jazz joint we went to was Baker's on John R. I would have loved to have been there a hundred years ago.

    The only thing I remember about Birmingham in 1970 - aside from my bus rides out to Fava's - was a joint on Woodward that had pillows on the floor and we (10 year old) kids were allowed to go in and hear live music - I think it was some kind of hippy/folk music joint. At that time, if it didn't involve electric guitars and drums I wasn't interested. I was playing (always first chair) sax in 6th grade, but when an older kid wanted me to be in a band with him; he played me ziggy stardust and that was that

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    I'm just now listening to Fiona Ritchie here talking about Alan Stivell again and playing chieftains dowrosy maggie 73. She said he too learned it from the Chieftains (I think it was might have been my first tune I wanted to fiddle at). And Baker's lounge on Livernois not John R!

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