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    I’m extremely late to most landmark bluegrass recordings, and just discovered Manzanita. Can anyone shed some light on who is playing what where? Guessing the dobro is Jerry D, mandolin sounds like Sam Bush and probably Ricky Skaggs, but I don’t know beyond that.

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    Ricky Skaggs, Sam Bush, David Grisman, Darol Anger, Todd Phillips, Jerry Douglas. Here's the track listings
    https://www.discogs.com/The-Tony-Ric...elease/8197007

    released 1979. It is a great one..& yes....boy are you late
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc holiday View Post
    released 1979. It is a great one..& yes....boy are you late
    Was busy being born

    Thanks!

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    Holy crap, the level of detail on this site is awesome! Double thanks!
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    Nice one Chris (LOL !),
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    It is a gem of an LP. I didn't learn of it until about 2001 and I was alive when it was released...
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    Manzanita was the album that proved that you don't need a banjo to play bluegrass.
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    I remember thinking “this is an amazing record” when I got my copy!

    As far as being late, we’ll, better late than never!
    The fashion of the day is a little scary but, the musicianship more than makes up for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Morse View Post
    Manzanita was the album that proved that you don't need a banjo to play bluegrass.
    And the title track proved that an Ovation Balladeer can sound like a prewar herringbone in the right hands.

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    As Skaggs said

    "Every Manzanita woman"

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    Re: no banjo

    Didn’t even notice on first listen. When I was listing who I thought I heard, I almost said Bela Fleck, then thought, “Wait a second...”

    Re: Ovation guitar

    He’s playing an Ovation??? Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bowsman View Post
    Re: no banjo

    Didn’t even notice on first listen. When I was listing who I thought I heard, I almost said Bela Fleck, then thought, “Wait a second...”

    Re: Ovation guitar

    He’s playing an Ovation??? Wow.
    All depends on the sound engineer...... in this case Bill Wolf

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    Great album! I han't listened to it in a while but saw this thread and put it on. So good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by colorado_al View Post
    Great album! I han't listened to it in a while but saw this thread and put it on. So good!
    If someone were just getting into bluegrass and asked me for a single album recommendation I would without hesitation say "Manzanita by Tony Rice", which is absolutely incredible considering it has no banjo.

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    I'm sorry to sound a sour note on here - but 'for me',compared to the many awesome instrumentals i've heard over the years,''Manzanita'' is repetitious & boring. That's NOT to say that the playing isn't spectacular,it certainly is,but i've heard better & more 'varied' instrumentals,many played by Tony Rice himself.

    Here's one of 'em - ''Tipper'' - Purely my personal opinion.
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    I think we’re talking about the whole “Manzanita” album and not just the particular track.

    The particular guitar being played isn’t mentioned in the original sleeve notes - I bought my copy around 1980 - and nothing more appears on the CD version. I originally bought it after hearing Tony Rice on Bill Keith’s classic “Something Old Something Newgrass......”.

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    Ivan, I think you'd be in the minority.... one could take a wild swing at any genre or big player.... Earl Scruggs 3 finger style, Chet Atkins, Django....just about any Blues guitarist.. "repetitious & boring"
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    Hey, how come no one ever talks about Tony Rice’s picks?
    Just to throw a curve into the mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    Hey, how come no one ever talks about Tony Rice’s picks?
    Just to throw a curve into the mix.
    I didn’t think we were allowed to talk about those on here.

    His monel strings do get talked about quite a bit, though
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    For me, the importance of that particular recording cannot be overstated.

    I recently had the pleasure of seeing The Claire Lynch Band, and was writing to my friend that "she plays my favorite kind of music..."

    What kind is that? Hard-core Bluegrass without a banjo.....

    Now I know there are many who will say that is an oxymoron (and I a moron for saying it) but there it is.

    One of the most amazing things about it is how it came to be.
    T had zero intention of recording it like that at all
    J. D. Crowe was booked and got sick, so he just went ahead anyways.
    The rest is history.
    I also just realized today that J.D.'s name is actually "Jim Crow(e)"

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    Hi Doc - I agree with you. I've heard more than a few 'repetitious' tunes in my 50 years of listening to many genres of music,but that single factor doesn't make the tune 'Manzanita' any less repetitious.

    I have many recordings that include Tony Rice,but 'Manzanita' isn't one of them,very likely because i simply hadn't heard of it or seen it in a record store. Browsing through the Country / Bluegrass recordings in Manchester UK's main record store,i usually snapped up anything like that - such this one 'Tony Rice - The Bluegrass Guitar Collection',
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    Ivan, Issued in 1979, the "Manzanita" LP is considered by many to be quintessential desert island music. Unlike the CD cover you showed "The Bluegrass Guitar Collection," which is a compilation taken from many albums, "Manzanita" was an LP project; straight-up bluegrass songs, re-worked folk songs & progressive instrumental playing from the finest BG players of the day. It preceded the Bluegrass Album Band records by several years. The musicians are the best of the best young players of the era. The track list is eclectic:

    https://www.discogs.com/The-Tony-Ric...elease/8197007
    It's a project CD, rather than a 'best hits' or favourites. There's a long thread about the album here on the cafe.
    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/s...Rice-Manzanita

    It is considered by many to be one of Tony Rice's finest record projects. It's worth checking out in its entirety. It's available on ITunes & i'm sure it can be heard for free on Youtube. Skaggs, Bush, Grisman, Douglas, Todd Philips.

    Art Stern (California Artist & mando player) was in the studio when it was recorded & here's his take:

    "Manzanita IS a very special album. I was in the studio at Arch Street when it was recorded......there was great energy....... it was like a reunion for those guys. The DGQ were grooving high at the time & it was like combining Tony's current band, the DGQ guys...... with some of his old buddies. What a supergroup of guys........like a bunch of young bucks really feelin' their oats........and the recording captures that good energy everyone was feeling. Look at the careers all those musicians have had. Definitely my favorite Tony Rice album!"

    Regardless of your opinion of the instrumental of the same title, the LP/CD is
    essential listening of the 2nd generation of Bluegrass players.

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    [QUOTE=Chris Bowsman;1683120]Was busy being born

    Good one! As Nobel winner Bob Dylan said "That he not busy being born is busy dying"

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    While the album as a whole is extremely bluegrass, I think the tune "Manzanita" might be a little more Dawg Music... for seemingly obvious reasons.
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    absolutely Chris

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    Hi Doc - I know that the 'Bluegrass Guitar Collection' is a compilation disc - i already had a few of the recordings from which certain tracks were taken. I'm also aware that 'Manzanita' was a self contained recording. I might indeed just check it out, although at the Amazon price of £16.70 UK ($21.50 US),i'm inclined to let it pass - but i'll check out a few other sites,
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