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    Okay, now I've seen everything (so far).

    Musician's Friends "Stupid Deal of the Day" is for a cheap Rogue mandolin. That's nothing special, but this is the first time I've seen a warning for a musical instrument:

    WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including A-alpha-C (2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Ethylene glycol (ingested), which is known to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

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    Man! I thought I'd avoided or given up most dangerous habits over they years, but now I'm wondering if I dare take my mandolins out of their cases. I can imagine telling my doctor that I play mandolin, then her shaking her head, and saying in a sad voice, "Well, Ranald..."
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    Robert Johnson's mother, describing blues musicians:
    "I never did have no trouble with him until he got big enough to be round with bigger boys and off from home. Then he used to follow all these harp blowers, mandoleen (sic) and guitar players."
    Lomax, Alan, The Land where The Blues Began, NY: Pantheon, 1993, p.14.

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    It seems we will be safe from the "Ethylene glycol (ingested)" as long as we do not eat the instrument.

    Almost everything I buy from sporting good stores have a similar warning tag. I once bought an anchor and length of line for the boat and they both "contained chemicals that were known in the state of California to cause cancer." Even fishing lures and hooks are tagged with a similar warning.

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    Nothing new there, many years ago, I installed a transparent plastic cover on a graphic equaliser; which was intended to stop people fiddling with it, and which simply involved fitting two allen bolts. The instructions suggested that I don a hard hat, gloves, protective eyewear, and ear defenders. Strangely, the graphic was manufactured in the USA!

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    California being a Huge Market, to sell stuff there they put a label on it to be in compliance..

    Bene-sugg one: dont ingest Ethylene glycol (Base of Polyester fabrics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol or polyethylene glycol https://www.drugs.com/mtm/polyethyle...el%20movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verne Andru View Post
    Okay, now I've seen everything (so far).

    Musician's Friends "Stupid Deal of the Day" is for a cheap Rogue mandolin. That's nothing special, but this is the first time I've seen a warning for a musical instrument:

    WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including A-alpha-C (2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Ethylene glycol (ingested), which is known to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

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    Sounds extremely weird to me but I'm no scientist. At my age not likely to make any more difference than eating organic would make. Too late in life to fret over it but I am thankful that warnings are available for younger people for which it may possibly make a difference if they choose to heed the warning.
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    WARNING: This Product is Known to the State of Cancer to Cause California

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    On my flat carpenters pencil there is a warning to "always wear safety goggles!"
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    A shop I was in got written up for pouring glue into unlabeled squeeze bottles. We wrote: ‘Glue. Do not eat’ to be safe
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    The inside of my garage door says "DANGER - Do not operate engine with door closed. Carbon monoxide emission is lethal."

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    I bought a package of nuts that said, "Warning: May contain nuts." I was hoping that the warning proved true.
    Robert Johnson's mother, describing blues musicians:
    "I never did have no trouble with him until he got big enough to be round with bigger boys and off from home. Then he used to follow all these harp blowers, mandoleen (sic) and guitar players."
    Lomax, Alan, The Land where The Blues Began, NY: Pantheon, 1993, p.14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    A shop I was in got written up for pouring glue into unlabeled squeeze bottles. We wrote: ‘Glue. Do not eat’ to be safe
    Related: A few months ago, my son warmed up some hide glue and drizzled it on a muffin, thinking it was the caramel sauce my wife had made the previous day.

    He only took one bite, but it wasn’t a pleasant one.

    And yes, my glue was labeled — he just didn’t pay attention

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    Ah, it's just Jello...sorta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill McCall View Post
    A shop I was in got written up for pouring glue into unlabeled squeeze bottles. We wrote: ‘Glue. Do not eat’ to be safe
    That is a legitimate concern and an OHSA requirement in shops. I have had exposure to everything from asbestos to Trichlor to cyanide in shops I worked in. Mistaking an unlabeled bottle of acetone for water or paint thinner for machine oil could be a disaster in a shop. In plating shops the question is is it water or is it acid? I have seen guys squirt solvent thinking it was water when labels were not required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22_frets View Post
    It seems we will be safe from the "Ethylene glycol (ingested)" as long as we do not eat the instrument.
    Well, I'm screwed then...Click image for larger version. 

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    I’ll say it again - one of my favourite sites - https://www.engrish.com/category/instructions/

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    And we use pegylation in the creation of certain cancer therapeutics...though the amount infused or injected is far lower than that from ingestion of that Rogue...LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Rosett View Post
    Well, I'm screwed then...Click image for larger version. 

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    Serious LOL material there. Clearly the instrument is being put to its highest and best use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Ward View Post
    Serious LOL material there. Clearly the instrument is being put to its highest and best use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh Bill View Post
    Sounds extremely weird to me but I'm no scientist. At my age not likely to make any more difference than eating organic would make. Too late in life to fret over it but I am thankful that warnings are available for younger people for which it may possibly make a difference if they choose to heed the warning.
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    Its easy to laugh when the warnings go overboard as they sometimes do. I find to many warnings far better than not enough. Some workplace practices and chemicals were extremely dangerous and little to no information or protection was used. In many ways California's blanket rues that you have to identify anything that is used that may contain carcinogens makes it easier and cheaper for manufacturers. Otherwise they have to test everything they use to see if it is a hazard in that situation, even when you clearly are not intended to eat your mandolin.

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    With the size of my octave mandolin I was looking at twice the harmful exposure.

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    So what would be a more realistic warning label on a mandolin...

    WARNING: Can cause massive almost spontaneous priority changes.

    WARNING: Competent use of this device increases endorphins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevin View Post
    Its easy to laugh when the warnings go overboard as they sometimes do. I find to many warnings far better than not enough. Some workplace practices and chemicals were extremely dangerous and little to no information or protection was used. In many ways California's blanket rues that you have to identify anything that is used that may contain carcinogens makes it easier and cheaper for manufacturers. Otherwise they have to test everything they use to see if it is a hazard in that situation, even when you clearly are not intended to eat your mandolin.
    Going off topic, but I think some of these warnings are actually detrimental. Putting a warning sticker on things that are not dangerous in normal use, makes people numb to warnings that are actually valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Streip View Post
    Related: A few months ago, my son warmed up some hide glue and drizzled it on a muffin, thinking it was the caramel sauce my wife had made the previous day.

    He only took one bite, but it wasn’t a pleasant one.

    And yes, my glue was labeled — he just didn’t pay attention
    Well, technically speaking, hide glue is classified as food, along with raw shellac . . .

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