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    Default Tip for using fingers on the high E string from 7th to 0

    If playing fret 7,5,3,1,0 on the high E string, would you fret them finger 4,3,2,1 or 3,2,1,1 ?

    I use 3,2,1,1 today but have trouble moving finger 1 from 3 to 1 fast enough.

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    Default Re: Tip for using fingers on the high E string from 7th to 0

    It would depend on the particular piece of music - where is the next phrase, what is the articulation, etc.

    Typically I'd use 1-2-3-4 (or 4-3-2-1 if descending), but other factors could indicate 1-1-2-3 (3-2-1-1), if the passage before was above 1st position...or I wanted a slide from the finger 1 note to the other finger 1 note.

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    It's the Tarantella starting from the 3. fret going up to 7,5,3,1,0 next 5,3 on A
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    Hi. I'm not completely following your melody approach, but for that fingering I would definitely say 4-3-2-1. That's all in the first position.

    I play this in Am, on the E and A strings:

    E string: 5 5 0 0 5 5 0 0 | 1 1 131 0 ... 0 0 | 0
    A string: 5 5 5 5 3 3 | 2 2 232 0

    Those are frets, not finger placements. I hope that makes sense. It's very easy this way.
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    You are in the start or verse. I'm describing an interlude towards the end.
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    Default Re: Tip for using fingers on the high E string from 7th to 0

    OK, I think I see. I would still go with 4-3-2-1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    OK, I think I see. I would still go with 4-3-2-1.
    I would too.

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    Hi Poul,

    I use 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 or 4 -2 3 - 1
    check out Keith Harris's book and you'll know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuno Wagner View Post
    Hi Poul,

    I use 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 or 4 -2 3 - 1
    check out Keith Harris's book and you'll know why.
    You throw in a whole new combination and refer to a book I don't have

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    Default Re: Tip for using fingers on the high E string from 7th to 0

    Quote Originally Posted by poul hansen View Post
    If playing fret 7,5,3,1,0 on the high E string, would you fret them finger 4,3,2,1 or 3,2,1,1 ?

    I use 3,2,1,1 today but have trouble moving finger 1 from 3 to 1 fast enough.

    Thank You for your time.

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    I must be missing the point here. Do all the notes have to be played on the E string? It seems to me that the best and easiest way to play the sequence of notes would be to play in the second position.

    Play 7-5-3 on the E string, using fingers 3,2,1 and leave the first finger planted on the 3rd fret. Then play 8-7 on the A string, fingers 4,3. This can be played fast and sounds good with the G note ringing while the last two notes are played. I am not familiar with the particular piece being played, but I often prefer to play the 8th fret on the next string instead of the 1st fret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poul hansen View Post
    It's the Tarantella starting from the 3. fret going up to 7,5,3,1,0 next 5,3 on A
    Can you post a link to the sheet music please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickker View Post
    I must be missing the point here. Do all the notes have to be played on the E string? It seems to me that the best and easiest way to play the sequence of notes would be to play in the second position.

    Play 7-5-3 on the E string, using fingers 3,2,1 and leave the first finger planted on the 3rd fret. Then play 8-7 on the A string, fingers 4,3. This can be played fast and sounds good with the G note ringing while the last two notes are played. I am not familiar with the particular piece being played, but I often prefer to play the 8th fret on the next string instead of the 1st fret.
    Using this technique may be fine for some pieces, not for others. Learning to use all 4 fingers and playing 4321 from the 7th fret is something you need to learn and be able to easily do anyway. After getting it down decide for each piece which way is a more convenient way to play it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidKOS View Post
    Can you post a link to the sheet music please?
    Sorry I don't have the sheet music.
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    Poul, since you directly ask for tips, have noted that your approach is too slow, and don't necessarily have access to any given physical book, I recommend you work on this resource for Four Finger Closed Position playing (abbreviated as FFcP) on mandolin. The problem you describe is even on the first webpage of exercises, found here:

    http://jazzmando.com/ffcp.shtml

    Your situation is covered by the 2nd Position exercise shown.

    Here's the index page, should you want to pursue it beyond this particular situation. I work them on CGDA mandola and GDAE octave mandolin, so you can definitely master them at the shorter mandolin scale length.

    http://jazzmando.com/ffcp_studies.shtml

    There is no magic solution of instant mastery, but practicing even just that first page will solve the problem once you get it down, so I hope you decide to put in the time. If so, good luck!

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    OK, been wrestling with this, and I think I've figured it out. Searched for sheet music on the web, found this, not quite complete - but enough.

    The sequence mentioned in Post #3 appears in bars 44-45. Am I correct that that is the segment you're talking about? If so, I would unhesitatingly play this thus:

    E string: fingers 4-3-2-1-0 on frets 7-5-3-1-0
    A string: fingers 3-2 on frets 5-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    OK, been wrestling with this, and I think I've figured it out. Searched for sheet music on the web, found this, not quite complete - but enough.

    The sequence mentioned in Post #3 appears in bars 44-45. Am I correct that that is the segment you're talking about? If so, I would unhesitatingly play this thus:

    E string: fingers 4-3-2-1-0 on frets 7-5-3-1-0
    A string: fingers 3-2 on frets 5-3

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    looking at those measures i'd be inclined to play frets 7-5-3 on E. then 8-7-5-3 on A. as for fingering it would be 3-2-1 followed by 4-3-2-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    OK, been wrestling with this, and I think I've figured it out. Searched for sheet music on the web, found this, not quite complete - but enough.

    The sequence mentioned in Post #3 appears in bars 44-45. Am I correct that that is the segment you're talking about? If so, I would unhesitatingly play this thus:

    E string: fingers 4-3-2-1-0 on frets 7-5-3-1-0
    A string: fingers 3-2 on frets 5-3

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    Yes that's it. I have decided for the 4321 fingers on E and started practice. Funny that I've never used finger 4 on a mandolin but then I've not practiced any chord playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Stueve View Post
    looking at those measures i'd be inclined to play frets 7-5-3 on E. then 8-7-5-3 on A. as for fingering it would be 3-2-1 followed by 4-3-2-1
    yes I see the idea and have tried it but just now the 4-3-2-1 on E and 5-3 on A seems easier to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poul hansen View Post
    Yes that's it. I have decided for the 4321 fingers on E and started practice. Funny that I've never used finger 4 on a mandolin but then I've not practiced any chord playing.
    I use fingers 1, 2, and 3 the most as well, but have little problem using 4. The size of my hand and fingers lead me to roll my wrist a little in order to stretch to fret 7, but it's easy enough. The rest of the sequence is well within first position for me and requires no further special attention. That slight adjustment is a small price to pay for the ease of playing the rest of the figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poul hansen View Post
    You throw in a whole new combination and refer to a book I don't have

    Would you like to elaborate? Please!

    take a lock at Keith´s page

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