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    La Fürstenberg (anonymous, 17th century)
    Pizzicar Galante
    Anna Schivazappa, baroque mandolin


    The song is possibly a mockery of the countess of that name,
    who was said to be the Bishop of Strasbourg's mistress.
    Many composers have used this popular melody in their works
    (Henry Purcell, Michel Corrette, ...)

    Michel Corrette (1707--1795)

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    Thanks. I'm a fan of Pizzicar Galante, especially their recording of Valentini sonatas.

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    And here is a version on theorbo

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    This decade-plus-old conversation via listserv might be of interest: https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.../msg29031.html. In it, I refer to de Murcia's setting for guitar (found in the Códice Saldívar No.4, compiled ca. 1730):



    Any relationship to this poster, vonbiber, or only by shared inspirational namesake? (If you leave the embedded video to watch in YouTube, you'll see it was posted by "Franz von Biber.")
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    Perhaps more relevant to the original post and this venue, I also mentioned Riggieri's (in spite of the video's and associated album's title, this piece is a mandolin solo):


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    I recently recorded the theme and variations number one and five for radio, they can be heard at classicalmandolin.bandcamp.com. I have a looong way to go before I sound like Camilla Finardi in the previous post, what a lovely delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene View Post
    Any relationship to this poster, vonbiber, or only by shared inspirational namesake? (If you leave the embedded video to watch in YouTube, you'll see it was posted by "Franz von Biber.")
    I actually chose that name because I am a big fan of Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber.
    One day I had to choose a login and as I was listening to his Rosary Sonatas
    it just came like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by taboot View Post
    I recently recorded the theme and variations number one and five for radio, they can be heard at classicalmandolin.bandcamp.com. I have a looong way to go before I sound like Camilla Finardi in the previous post, what a lovely delivery.
    Still, cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vonbiber View Post
    I actually chose that name because I am a big fan of Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber.
    One day I had to choose a login and as I was listening to his Rosary Sonatas
    it just came like that...
    Figured. I'm guessing the YouTube poster did similar. Cool composer, by the way. Of the Rosary Sonata set, I especially like the closing solo Passagalia . . . which might make for an interesting solo-mandolin interpretation. Hmmm . . .

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    Does anyone from the forum have the score for La Furstenberg that maybe can share?

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    A good scan of an old copy: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bt...8913f/f4.image. It’s the last four pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taboot View Post
    A good scan of an old copy: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bt...8913f/f4.image. It’s the last four pages.
    I extracted these pages, tried to clean them up and merged them into this single pdf file
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrr7vr8vx2...urstemberg.pdf

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    A recent live performance with Caterina Lichtenberg & Mike Marshall

    La Fustemberg starts at ca. 40:30 - the video should start at this position....hope that it works.

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    La Lichtenberg playing La Fürstenberg! wonderful...

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    Clarification please:
    I have a copy of the La Fustenberg Variations that I got from Plucked Strings ages ago. I think it matches the vonbiber & taboot posts. I will occasionally pull it out & practice a section or 2. What I have is for solo Mandolin. I believe it is the same piece played on the recording Eugene posted. I had never heard it. The Duo by Caterina & Marshal appears similar in the first part, but not exact. Also, there is a second part. Is this Duo available? Or did they arrange this themselves? What is the story on the Duet?
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    A much cleaner score can be found here:
    https://www.free-scores.com/PDF_EN/fustemberg-82085.pdf

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    What's the picking pattern. What should the right hand be doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hany Hayek View Post
    What's the picking pattern. What should the right hand be doing?
    Need more clarification, Hany. If you're discussing the Riggieri variations, it varies with variation or even passage. Riggieri rarely specifies (he does in the 6th variation, e.g.), but it's sometimes obvious (e.g., the triplets in the 9th seem to follow standard patterns).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandopops View Post
    Clarification please:
    I have a copy of the La Fustenberg Variations that I got from Plucked Strings ages ago. I think it matches the vonbiber & taboot posts. I will occasionally pull it out & practice a section or 2. What I have is for solo Mandolin. I believe it is the same piece played on the recording Eugene posted. I had never heard it. The Duo by Caterina & Marshal appears similar in the first part, but not exact. Also, there is a second part. Is this Duo available? Or did they arrange this themselves? What is the story on the Duet?
    Thanx,
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    Yeah, I'm just not sure, Joe. I suspect inspiration/excerpting from various sources, and I suspect that there was substantial editing to render the mando-cello part more substantial/integral, whatever the source(s). I'd bet Caterina would be willing to inform if asked.

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    By the way, in addition to Le Gentil Dame (2019: Camilla Finardi, mandolin) as I posted above, Ensemble Baschenis (2004: Dorina Frati, mandolin) and Carlo Aonzo (1999 video, Mel Bay) have also released commercially available recordings of the Riggieri variations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandopops View Post
    Clarification please:
    ...Also, there is a second part. Is this Duo available? Or did they arrange this themselves? What is the story on the Duet?
    Thanx,
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    The on screen credits say "bearb. Lichtenberg/Marshall," in English the equivalent would be "arr. Lichtenberg/Marshall." My guess is that the cello part is original to their arrangement. Mr. Marshall has a bit of a habit for this kind of thing: I remember seeing Mike and Chris Thiele play Bach compositions for SOLO violin to which Mike had added a mandocello part.

    Either way, thanks for posting that performance, Michael, it's a lovely recording.
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    Thanx for the info Eugene & taboot. This thread got me to pull it out & tinker with it again. Good for the chops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandopops View Post
    Thanx for the info Eugene & taboot. This thread got me to pull it out & tinker with it again. Good for the chops.
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    Indeed!

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    I remember seeing Mike and Chris Thiele play Bach compositions for SOLO violin to which Mike had added a mandocello part.
    -- taboot

    Hmmm. Is there are recording or video of such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Bartl View Post
    -- taboot

    Hmmm. Is there are recording or video of such?

    Joe
    I'm unaware of any, but burrowing through youtube might turn something up. When they did it, Mike preceded it with some fun, cheeky patter about how he knows that one simply doesn't rewrite Bach's music, and what his process was like. As I recall it sounded great. I don't recall the exact year of that show, but pretty sure it would have been around 2012 or so. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene View Post
    Of the Rosary Sonata set, I especially like the closing solo Passagalia . . . which might make for an interesting solo-mandolin interpretation. Hmmm . . .
    Found a music sheet for it. If you're interested and would like to use it for the mandolin, I can post the link in another message.

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