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    Default Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    I recently acquired an older (2000) Red Diamond. I upgraded the Gotah tuners w/ Waverly's. As you can see....they barely hang over the edge. Is there a fix? Can I round out the ends or are they only gold plated (would I see silver if I filed them down?). I really wish I didn't have OCD.
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    Maybe nobody responded because I wasn't clear. This is what I'm thinking about trying:

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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    The other option is to fill the holes and re-drill them. This would be a pretty major undertaking, but not impossible at all.
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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    I should think Stew-Mac could tell you what the base metal is. I doubt that it is gold (or even gold-ish). I have no thoughts on OCD though.
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    I thought the Waverly A style tuners were worm under. Are the tuners turning the right way?

    They appear to be worm over on the webpage.

    Could you post a picture of the original tuners from the back so the cogs show?
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    Hmm. Did the old machines not set off the OCD?

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    They turn correctly. Stew Mac shows them worm over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Oliver View Post
    Hmm. Did the old machines not set off the OCD?
    I don't know what OCD stands for. The Gotah tuners did not hang over like these do.

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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    And the original Gotoh's were worm over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEdgerton View Post
    And the original Gotoh's were worm over?
    Yes

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    Those aren't Gotoh tuners I believe they are older Grovers and the plate is just smaller. Before you cut up the Waverly tuners consider some other better worm over tuners.
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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    What was wrong with the Gotoh tuners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevin View Post
    What was wrong with the Gotoh tuners?
    Or would that be Grovers? Appears to be...and that's a good question. They look very nice, even for Grovers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevin View Post
    What was wrong with the Gotoh tuners?
    One of the A's is really loose....won't stay in tune.

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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    Two things, you can snug up the screw holding on the gear. Also some have a small plastic bearing that can break out and make the tuner loose. They are pretty easy to replace.

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    I put the OG tuners back on. I'm returning the Waverly's. Thanks folks!
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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    Put some Schaller's on it. They fit and work perfectly.

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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    If you really had OCD, you would have spelled it CDO ... with letters in the correct order

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    I did notice while removing the older tuners that both "A" strings and one "E" string were missing a small clear plastic piece. Are these sold anywhere or should I just make my own?

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    Default Re: Waverly's on an Older Red Diamond A

    This is a fairly common problem. I can find the parts for guitar tuners but not mandolin. I know some people have made them with good results.

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