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    Yes, a real beauty, for sure. I have seen cracks described as "age lines" but such an euphemism would not do this justice. That's an el mondo grosso crack but it can be fixed.

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    Yes, it can be fixed, but I believe that the cost of the repairs will exceed the value of the repaired instrument, if done competently.
    Good project for someone learning the craft, though, as long as the price doesn't go up too much more.

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    Prices tend to get stupid on Shopgoodwill for stuff like this. If nothing else, that's probably a $150 tailpiece and a $250 set of tuners.
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    Wow. That main crack is huge. Am also worried that the neck heel is cracked through, too. That's going to take a lot of work to restore.
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    Yes, this showed up here as well. It gives new meaning to the phrase, "As Is." "As Was" seems more appropriate.
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    That should buff out, lol!
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    I'm going to send my luthier a photo but I will phone him later to tell him I am not going to buy it! He's repaired far worse but he's had a few health issues and does need to be overburdened!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmando View Post
    Prices tend to get stupid on Shopgoodwill for stuff like this. If nothing else, that's probably a $150 tailpiece and a $250 set of tuners.
    I was thinking the same thing. Either some one needs the harware of they are going to be parting it out and selling the hardware.

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    Those Handel tuners would be great to have.

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    The top looks salvageable, maybe. Probably best to replace the back and sides. Those are some horrible cracks. Talk about a basket case.

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    I see it has Gibson Phillips screws holding in the tuners, so it may have been sent to Kalamazoo for repair and Gibson just replaced the slot head screws in the tuners and sent it back with a message: "You have got to be joking!" Mind you, whoever it was at Gibson who rebuilt Bill Monroe's F5 would consider this just an hors d'oeuvre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickR View Post
    I see it has Gibson Phillips screws holding in the tuners, so it may have been sent to Kalamazoo for repair and Gibson just replaced the slot head screws in the tuners and sent it back with a message: "You have got to be joking!" Mind you, whoever it was at Gibson who rebuilt Bill Monroe's F5 would consider this just an hors d'oeuvre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickR View Post
    I see it has Gibson Phillips screws holding in the tuners, so it may have been sent to Kalamazoo for repair and Gibson just replaced the slot head screws in the tuners and sent it back with a message: "You have got to be joking!" Mind you, whoever it was at Gibson who rebuilt Bill Monroe's F5 would consider this just an hors d'oeuvre.
    Tragically Mr. Derrington is no longer with us. He is probably picking some tunes with Bill Monroe in heaven.

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    What, none of you folks want to post the pics for eternity. At least the "smiling crack." I guess I have to do all the work around here while you have all the fun.
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    Makes me cringe to see a vintage Gibson mandolin in that condition. Hopefully someone can bring it back to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I guess I have to do all the work around here while you have all the fun.
    Thank you for taking care of that thankless task. The best part of this listing is the sequencing of photos. Looking good ... nice ... sweet ... yikes!!!
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    Ouch, that rib crack. Love the fancy machine heads though.
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    Yeah, hard to believe Handel tuners were standard equipment in the early days, except for the less expensive models. I think I've got that right. I'll bet there are threads devoted to them. Can you imagine having that job, making them? There's a day's work! OK, my curiosity is piqued. Off to find some threads about them ...

    PS: This recent reclamation project of similar vintage and somewhat less cringe-worthy condition went for $665. Someone is going to grab this and do something with it - and the price may even exceed this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    PS: This recent reclamation project of similar vintage and somewhat less cringe-worthy condition went for $665. Someone is going to grab this and do something with it - and the price may even exceed this.
    I was half-joking, and yet ... One day to go on this auction and the current bid is about to surpass that. It got to be too rich for my blood a couple C-notes ago. I wouldn't be surprised now if a last-minute flurry of activity were to push it over a grand.
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    I sent the photos to my luthier and he says he loves that sort of project- he did one Gretsch electric that had been attacked by a wife with some heavy implement and smashed to pieces. This was a band on an ocean liner- husband and wife and band and another girl singer and things happened- or as people say when bad things happen "worse things happen at sea" and they did- but he put it all back together and no signs of this act of vengeance are to be seen now. I saw another old Gretsch on the internet that he had repaired- it was run over by a car! Anyway, he was not trying to get me to buy it and I'm safe- no overseas sales! However, it could go higher, for sure.

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    I would call that an alternative soundport.

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    And it's omnidirectional - radiates sound all around.
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    See anything unusual with this? That mandolin would be a quick fix to this.
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    Eh? The only problem I see with the harp guitar is that the stringing is screwed up.
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