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    Saw the stream of Grisman playing with the Tony Rice Tribute group at Rockygrass, and didn't recognize his newfangled mandolin, and couldn't read the headstock on my screen. Anyone familiar with it?

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    Could have been a Giacomel.

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    It was a Giacomel. Looked like anew I haven't seen him play before.

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    Thanks! Looks so space age. Sure had a good bark though.
    As an aside, are Sam and Dawg not quite as sharp as they used to be? It makes me a little sad.

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    <<As an aside, are Sam and Dawg not quite as sharp as they used to be?>>

    Not that I've noticed.

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    I haven't seen enough of this gig to comment on the current sharpness of the mando greats Dawg and Sam, but a more general comment is that perhaps some musicians are not quite on their game at the moment due to lack of gigging etc over the past 18 months or so?

    My mum is about the same age as Dawg, and she is certainly a remarkable woman, but inevitably she is "older" than she was. My impression is that Dawg's ability on the mando is still something that most of us can only aspire to, and his wit is very much evident when listening to the recent podcasts on his website. Sam seems to be preternaturally young for someone aged 69, and still a monster musician.

    I'm certainly not trying to be contrary Nancy, and I agree with the general sentiment that it can be sad to see our heroes age, perhaps Tony Rice being a good example of this. I find it inspiring that Dawg and Sam are still so active and doing so well at ages that many folk have retired.
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    You're right Paul, thanks, it didn't sound contrary at all. Dawg mentioned not playing with anyone for last 19 months and I'm sure that's part of it. But yes, I'm sad about watching everyone age... including myself. Saying goodbye to my heroes as they drop one by one is really hard after listening to them for 40 years of edge of my seat bliss. Tony was certainly heart breaking for me, especially the way it all went down. Watching the old guys travel and tour at the rate they do is awe inspiring. BTW I'm listening to the Sam Bush band at Rockygrass right now, and certainly Sam shines on the repertoire he is more familiar with.

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    David says he's lost some speed, but that's not obvious to me. The best rhythm player of all time in my book and a master (along with Statman) with amazingly expressive, double-stop tremolos. And then there's his tone... none better...

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    I think DAWGs playing for the TR tribute was definitely from being a bit rusty and not playing a gig for like 19 months (I think that's what he said on stage). Sam was definitely on fire last night with his band last night and playing as good as usual!

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    yes! And watching Sam and Ronnie McCoury trading licks was awe inspiring. Both Dawg and Sam and a rhythm like no one else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Cowham View Post
    I haven't seen enough of this gig to comment on the current sharpness of the mando greats Dawg and Sam, but a more general comment is that perhaps some musicians are not quite on their game at the moment due to lack of gigging etc over the past 18 months or so?...
    Can't comment on Grisman and Bush, since I haven't watched the Rockygrass vid, but I heartily second Paul's suggestion.

    I largely shut down in terms of music performance from March 2020 to late Spring this year -- 80+ gigs canceled, uncounted others never scheduled -- and what little gigging I did generally didn't involve mandolin. Mostly seniors' performances with guitar, banjo, ukulele. And I'm very bad at keeping up my chops by playing solo at home when there's no performance to prepare for.

    When I got out my mandolin again –– some back-up to play, local sing-arounds restarting, a few "mando" gigs -- I was horrified at the level of regression, in terms of speed, accuracy, and general musicality. Now working to get back "up to speed," and fairly confident I can recover, but taking a lesson from experience: use it or lose it, at least temporarily.

    And there's a different level required between woodshedding at home, and playing in front of people. Local music school wants me to resume teaching beginner mandolin in October, but right now I feel better qualified to take the class than to teach it!
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    I agree with Allen and the others about the deterioration in performance skills that can result from, in my case, 15 months with no gigs. I restarted in early June and only now, seven shows later, am I starting to feel comfortable on stage again. I kept a steady practice regimen during those 15 months but performing involves so many skills in addition to picking and singing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glassweb View Post
    David says he's lost some speed, but that's not obvious to me. The best rhythm player of all time in my book and a master (along with Statman) with amazingly expressive, double-stop tremolos. And then there's his tone... none better...
    Tone…none better? Reischman and Ronnie McCoury come to mind.

    Who all was in the Tony Rice Tribute Band at Rockygrass besides DG?

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    Lots of folks are rusty. I can remember the first few weeks in May getting back to playing with actual people in the same room... we all looked at each other after the first few tunes and all three of us just said "Yuck!".

    Don't count anyone out, and from what I remember, Tony Rice was sick a long time, and he was fighting issues with his hands for a long time before that. Dawg will be back to his blazing speed. It's just kinda weird getting out after a year off and trying to find that groove again.
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    Well, David Grisman is 76. His speed is bound to decrease, sooner or later. But his tone will remain as long as his hands work well enough to brew a cup of coffee in the morning.

    I'm going to give my 64 year old hands a few minutes on an instrument right now. They need the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Roberts View Post

    Who all was in the Tony Rice Tribute Band at Rockygrass besides DG?
    Bela Fleck on banjo, Chris Eldridge and Brian Sutton on Guitar, Michael Cleveland on fiddle, Mark Shatz on bass, Sam on mandolin and fiddle. It was epic! It was so cool to hear them play Swing 51 when Dawg came out and did a few numbers with them. Dawg also wrote a new tune called "20/20" that he debuted there that he dedicated to Tony. That show right there was worth the 50 bucks to see all three days main stage performances!

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    Rockygrass - Ronnie McCoury hasn't lost a step for sure - I think he's been podding and playing with most of the band. Good reason to have a family band for sure. And Del at 82 is a wonder. Sure he forgets stuff, but he still knows more words to more songs than I'll ever learn in a lifetime, and his rhythm is rock solid.
    The Tony Rice tribute was indeed a beautiful thing, worth the price of admission and then some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glassweb View Post
    David says he's lost some speed, but that's not obvious to me. The best rhythm player of all time in my book and a master (along with Statman) with amazingly expressive, double-stop tremolos. And then there's his tone... none better...
    Apologies for my comment to the post about Grisman and tone.

    I had total knee replacement two weeks ago, have had some unexpected complications and am on numerous crazy prescription drugs and obviously not thinking clearly. I reread my post and it was uncalled for and especially to such a gentleman who has done so much for the music world. Grisman is one of the greats for sure and deserves maximum respect. His style and tone are unparalleled.

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    Never mind who's what. Sam Bush from 2:40 - 3:20, then Holy Mother of Pearl, Bela freakin' Fleck! Good luck anyone following that!
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    That was amazing! Six of all my all time faves on a stage together. Wish I could have been there.
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    Well, David Grisman is 76. His speed is bound to decrease, sooner or later. But his tone will remain as long as his hands work well enough to brew a cup of coffee in the morning.
    And with a cup of coffee before the show .

    Seriously, having seen Ravi Shankar in concert in his late 80s, Id say that as the greats age, speed decreases, tone remains the same (since they dialed in their tone decades earlier), and expressiveness increases.
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    on the Giacomel, Grisman did an online "taste testing" of many of his mandolins, and I will say the Giacomel he played there was the overall best sounding, Crusher, the Monteleone and the 25 F5 all held thier own, bit for best overall tone I had to go with the Giacomel. As for performance ability if I could play half as good as either Sam or Dave slow, that would be something.
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