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    Hi, my name is Don and it has been 3 months since my last Mandolin Cafe Classified hit.

    Before that it was about 3 years. But with both my birthday and Christmas coming, I just had to look.

    I decided to buy a trumpet instead. Now I'm learning how to make funny and somewhat annoying noises with my lips. People are avoiding me, not making eye contact, and they try to distract their children when I'm around. I feel almost like I felt 50 years ago when I was learning to play the banjo, except now my lips tingle.
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    Checking classifieds four times a day.

    Praying that perfect new listing is a 2hr or less drive. Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Fingers View Post
    I'll be the dud/killjoy and offer the opinion that it's all about time and money and how we use the limited quantities of both that we have. Seeing what's out there to buy is really normal, but like "going shopping," but sustained wanting really isn't a good thing when it occupies too much time, energy, and headspace. Ditto for constant purchasing, selling, and purchasing. Most of us do all these things, and of course I do, too, but the issue is one of scale: how much? I've develoiped the habit of reaching for an instrument -- I have a mandolin and a guitar on stands 6 feet away from me -- rather than my computer. I still get some amazing stuff now and again but it's not a preoccupation. There are always instruments, deals, more instruments, and more deals. Good luck striking your own balance. Personally, I value improvement in playing (and listening) over having somewhat better stuff.
    Well, as you can tell by the tongue-in-cheekness of most of the posts here, we all are aware of the relative sillyness of our habits. And if I had to guess, I'd say that hardly anyone on this forum will be "addicted" in a way that it puts a serious strain on the bank account or endangers relationships.

    That said, I do think everything you said is right. Especially how the resources that are available to us affect the way we pursue our hobby.

    I, for my part, can't play nearly as much as I want to, what with the two little kids (I also can't have instruments on stands anymore - that would be like begging for bad things to happen) and a job and a working GF.
    Also, due to Covid, band rehearsals and encounters with other musicians have been few and far between lately.
    Much easier to check a website or two for a minute at work (guess where I am right now).

    But enough of the somber introspection. I BOUGHT MYSELF A NEW MANDOLIN! JUST YESTERDAY!! FOR CHRISTMAS!!! WOHOOOOO!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willi Bahrenberg View Post
    Well, as you can tell by the tongue-in-cheekness of most of the posts here, we all are aware of the relative sillyness of our habits. And if I had to guess, I'd say that hardly anyone on this forum will be "addicted" in a way that it puts a serious strain on the bank account or endangers relationships.

    That said, I do think everything you said is right. Especially how the resources that are available to us affect the way we pursue our hobby.

    I, for my part, can't play nearly as much as I want to, what with the two little kids (I also can't have instruments on stands anymore - that would be like begging for bad things to happen) and a job and a working GF.
    Also, due to Covid, band rehearsals and encounters with other musicians have been few and far between lately.
    Much easier to check a website or two for a minute at work (guess where I am right now).

    But enough of the somber introspection. I BOUGHT MYSELF A NEW MANDOLIN! JUST YESTERDAY!! FOR CHRISTMAS!!! WOHOOOOO!!!!
    Hey! Congrats and happy pickin'!

    For those who are feeling the pressures of MAS there is hope, a treatment. Buying more mandolins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Wilson View Post
    Hey! Congrats and happy pickin'!

    For those who are feeling the pressures of MAS there is hope, a treatment. Buying more mandolins!
    Thanks Zach! I'm feeling the relief already.
    Thing is, I'll have to sell one of my F5s now. You might not coincidentally be... Oh, never mind, I see you already have a Weber Yellowstone

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    I don't have any idea how often I visit the classifieds on the Cafe, but whenever I'm in need of surfing for mandoporn, there it is! I've gotten pretty good at predicting advertised prices and which of the bigger purveyors is offering the instrument (Carter's, TME, The Mandolin Store, etc). There are worse ways and less interesting ways for surfing the web for porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Fingers View Post
    Personally, I value improvement in playing (and listening) over having somewhat better stuff.
    This echoes something I've believed, said, and written a-plenty over the years. I would scoff at those hell-bent on trading up and spending more and more on mandolins in order to find "that sound" - whatever ideal they had in their minds. I would adamantly express my firmly-held belief that one must improve one's playing or at least develop skills to pull the music one wants out of one's mandolin. It's all in there; you just have to figure out how to bring it out. This is concurrent with my belief concerning such things as whether one can get a good chop on an oval hole mandolin; yes- it's the technique, not the instrument. It's not what you play, it's how you play it.

    Part of this may have been derived from my having started my mandolin journey from a pretty high level - a teens Gibson A, a gift from my mom when I was 15. That was it for me, didn't even have a hankering for anything other than that because it sounded just fine, even great, until I got to thinking about an F-style, seduced by its snazzy, even futuristic look. It just looked more rock 'n' roll than the stodgy A. I picked up an F-12, which (as I learned later) wasn't much, dating from the 70s, q low point in Gibson's production quality. But that was my main instrument for thirty years. During all that time, however much playing I did with her, Mandy Lynn never really opened up or flourished as I would have liked. Some fifteen years into this period I began to acquire other instruments, though they were chosen specifically for very specific reasons - a 1916 mandola to enable me to play songs with certain chord patterns whose fingerings weren't compatible with my vocal range, a banjolin and National Triolian steel tenor guitar to very my sound in the jug band in which I was playing. (I wanted a steel mandolin, but though my luthier had one on his wall, it was not for sale; the Triolian was.) But none of this had anything to do with a compelling desire to find and acquire a "better" mandolin. These were acquisitions based on practical concerns, not emotions.

    Then my F-12 got stolen. Among my efforts to recover her, I discovered and joined the Mandolin Café, and started checking eBay often - not only to see if someone was reselling Mandy Lynn, but to find a replacement. The first led to me learning from experts about her sub-par quality, which led me to concentrating on replacement more than recovery, and finding another teens Gibson A. This turned out to be a much better instrument than the F-12 was or would ever be. Molly just sounded so good, right out of the box, that I walked over to that night's gig and put her to work. Several years later, when I was in another band that was playing so often and I was playing so hard I would break a couple of strings nearly every gig, my solution was to get another teens Gibson A so I could swap out mid-set. Again, an acquisition driven by practicality, not emotionality.


    All that said - and it's a lot, I know - this year something else began to happen. Without looking for anything else, a few instruments came to my attention. First, in a facebook group based on vintage mandolins, I saw a notice about an estate sale in Virginia that featured an early twenties A-4. It had the bling I'd long missed (plain A's are just that - plain, not even a logo on the headstock), it had the cachet of being a higher-end model, it was going foir about 2/3 of the usual price. I bid on it and ultimately won it. I had my doubts spending that much on something I hadn't played, but i figured it was a safe bet. Turns out, it was not - maybe it was the strings or the set-up, but it didn't really sounf=d better nor even as good as Molly. I felt a bit of a fool having let MAS overtake my rational mind. But then, a few months later, someone at the Café posted about a very nice-looking 1923 F-4 for sale at a shop in Missouri, again for about 2/3 of the going rate. Having just come in a bit too late on one being sold through Bruce Weber - a darned good indicator of quality - and the F-4 being my dream machine, and even more so being from the start of the Lloyd era, I pulled the trigger on it. Again, this turned out to be a bit less impressive than I'd hoped, but a change of string helped more than I'd have thought possible, and I expect a set-up will improve its sound even more. Then I saw an A-3 which had suffered some odd misuse - stripping the finish on the top, then left like that - but seeming fine structurally, I pulled the trigger again. Even after it is refinished and otherwise tweaked, I will be in for about half what they go for - if you can find them.

    So yeah, I admit I developed a bit of a problem, after all this time. I still believe it's more important how you play than what you play, but I'll grant you've got to start with something good enough. I can justify these purchases from a practical standpoint, getting them at something resembling bargain prices, but still ... I play Molly more than all of them put together. I haven't even seen the A-3; it was shipped to my luthier. Maybe it will be The One; who knows? I'm no longer convinced such a thing exists. But if it does, it may still be that 1917 plain A I call Molly - she just sounds the way I like a mandolin to sound. I've been having some fun with these others, but if I had to choose just one, it would be her. I think.
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    To me, it seems to be a little like Pokemon. I want to try 'em all while my fingers still work well enough.
    Maybe it would be different if I started at 21 vs 61.

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    Six months in, with this Kelley, and I have not checked the classifieds once. Looked at mandolas about 4 times but felt very "Meh, I don't need that at all"

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    Regardless how serious a buyer I am at any given time, I'm always looking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    This echoes something I've believed, said, and written a-plenty over the years. I would scoff at those hell-bent on trading up and spending more and more on mandolins in order to find "that sound" - whatever ideal they had in their minds. I would adamantly express my firmly-held belief that one must improve one's playing or at least develop skills to pull the music one wants out of one's mandolin. It's all in there; you just have to figure out how to bring it out. This is concurrent with my belief concerning such things as whether one can get a good chop on an oval hole mandolin; yes- it's the technique, not the instrument. It's not what you play, it's how you play it.

    Part of this may have been derived from my having started my mandolin journey from a pretty high level - a teens Gibson A, a gift from my mom when I was 15. That was it for me, didn't even have a hankering for anything other than that because it sounded just fine, even great, until I got to thinking about an F-style, seduced by its snazzy, even futuristic look. It just looked more rock 'n' roll than the stodgy A. I picked up an F-12, which (as I learned later) wasn't much, dating from the 70s, q low point in Gibson's production quality. But that was my main instrument for thirty years. During all that time, however much playing I did with her, Mandy Lynn never really opened up or flourished as I would have liked. Some fifteen years into this period I began to acquire other instruments, though they were chosen specifically for very specific reasons - a 1916 mandola to enable me to play songs with certain chord patterns whose fingerings weren't compatible with my vocal range, a banjolin and National Triolian steel tenor guitar to very my sound in the jug band in which I was playing. (I wanted a steel mandolin, but though my luthier had one on his wall, it was not for sale; the Triolian was.) But none of this had anything to do with a compelling desire to find and acquire a "better" mandolin. These were acquisitions based on practical concerns, not emotions.

    Then my F-12 got stolen. Among my efforts to recover her, I discovered and joined the Mandolin Café, and started checking eBay often - not only to see if someone was reselling Mandy Lynn, but to find a replacement. The first led to me learning from experts about her sub-par quality, which led me to concentrating on replacement more than recovery, and finding another teens Gibson A. This turned out to be a much better instrument than the F-12 was or would ever be. Molly just sounded so good, right out of the box, that I walked over to that night's gig and put her to work. Several years later, when I was in another band that was playing so often and I was playing so hard I would break a couple of strings nearly every gig, my solution was to get another teens Gibson A so I could swap out mid-set. Again, an acquisition driven by practicality, not emotionality.


    All that said - and it's a lot, I know - this year something else began to happen. Without looking for anything else, a few instruments came to my attention. First, in a facebook group based on vintage mandolins, I saw a notice about an estate sale in Virginia that featured an early twenties A-4. It had the bling I'd long missed (plain A's are just that - plain, not even a logo on the headstock), it had the cachet of being a higher-end model, it was going foir about 2/3 of the usual price. I bid on it and ultimately won it. I had my doubts spending that much on something I hadn't played, but i figured it was a safe bet. Turns out, it was not - maybe it was the strings or the set-up, but it didn't really sounf=d better nor even as good as Molly. I felt a bit of a fool having let MAS overtake my rational mind. But then, a few months later, someone at the Café posted about a very nice-looking 1923 F-4 for sale at a shop in Missouri, again for about 2/3 of the going rate. Having just come in a bit too late on one being sold through Bruce Weber - a darned good indicator of quality - and the F-4 being my dream machine, and even more so being from the start of the Lloyd era, I pulled the trigger on it. Again, this turned out to be a bit less impressive than I'd hoped, but a change of string helped more than I'd have thought possible, and I expect a set-up will improve its sound even more. Then I saw an A-3 which had suffered some odd misuse - stripping the finish on the top, then left like that - but seeming fine structurally, I pulled the trigger again. Even after it is refinished and otherwise tweaked, I will be in for about half what they go for - if you can find them.

    So yeah, I admit I developed a bit of a problem, after all this time. I still believe it's more important how you play than what you play, but I'll grant you've got to start with something good enough. I can justify these purchases from a practical standpoint, getting them at something resembling bargain prices, but still ... I play Molly more than all of them put together. I haven't even seen the A-3; it was shipped to my luthier. Maybe it will be The One; who knows? I'm no longer convinced such a thing exists. But if it does, it may still be that 1917 plain A I call Molly - she just sounds the way I like a mandolin to sound. I've been having some fun with these others, but if I had to choose just one, it would be her. I think.
    So that's why they call you journeybear in the mandolin community

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    I don't know what you mean, mein Freund. I'm being serious, not facetious or coy. I wish you had selected just the pertinent portion(s) of my post so I - and all - would know to what you refer. But when people quote an entire post - which happens far too often - there's no way to tell what the responder means. I vastly prefer people be clear and specific. Maybe that's just me, but it sure helps ...

    If you meant to refer to the length of my post and its tale of the journey of my mandolin history, OK, but you could have just said so.

    Oh, and - I'm known as journeybear because that's the name I use; that is, it's my doing, not the mandolin community's. It was the name cast by the runes in the old hippie band I was in once upon a time, and I've always liked it. Indeed, there are people from central MA who still know me only by this name, thirty years later. Kind of funny about that. When this interweb thing took off, and I saw people were accustomed to using handles instead of names like in the Old West or radio days, and more recently in the CB radio days, it seemed natural to use this. Not much more to it than that. That's a big 10-4, good buddy.
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    I have sold three instruments recently and a couple of other things. It feels real to de-access and I now have a bit of cash to do some things i have always wanted to do. OTOH I keep asking myself what instrument can I buy with this money. Oops!
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    I believe that is a textbook definition of MAS.

    I have never sold an instrument, so I have no idea what that feels like. Mandolins and cars come to me to live out the rest of their lives, for better or worse. At least when a car has gone as far as it can go, it can get towed away. The mandolins are starting to pile up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    I don't know what you mean, mein Freund.
    Oh, I should have knows this would be confusing. I should have been more specific in my writing and quoting. Really sorry for that!

    And yes, I was refering to the lenght of your mandolin journey and the fact that you seem to recall every step of it. I like this sort of personal history telling and should have been more clear about that.
    Or at least should've put in a emoji. So here goes:

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    Thanks for clarifying. And giving me a good hearty laugh! I needed that.

    Rereading, I think it's the length of the tale told that makes me chuckle. I do get long-winded sometimes, but it's in the interest of being thorough and in the service of the truth, whatever that may be. In this instance, I was trying to explain my own dalliance with MAS, tongue in cheek all the way. Honestly, though, I was fine until this year, when opportunities presented themselves, and I had the means and motives to act on those opportunities. Somewhere in the middle I realized this might be more appropriately posted to the recently-revived "your mandolin ownership history" thread. Then I realized that would be even longer in order to include stories of yet more instruments not necessarily pertinent to this subject - so I left that alone, for the time being.

    Anyway, thanks for understanding. Merry Christmas, Joyeux Noël, Feliz Navidad, Buon Natale, und Frohe Weihnachten!
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    At least it is not RVs. That is a slippery slope for sure.

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    Have to admit I check ebay, Gumtree and Cafe Classifieds every day, probably twice a day or maybe more. It's like everything else you do in life. The more you do it, the more you want to and the less you do it, the less you want to. Applies to eating, drinking, reading, sport, TV etc

    I love seeing a fabulous mandolin or acoustic guitar even though I have a good few myself. I actually enjoy the hunt for an instrument. Currently interested in a really good F-hole mandolin the UK so I look very regularly.

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    Something in your post sparked an idea that I'd overlooked. (And, similar to how MAS operates, I thought I was done talking about this, but there's still more. ) While it seems there is a nearly infinite supply of mandolins out there, there is not. Moreover, once one factors in a few parameters, that number of possible satisfactory instruments dwindles considerably and quickly. And then, when one realizes there is an undefinable number of other people with the same or similar desires seeking the same or similar instruments, the process becomes quite competitive indeed. One's dream instrument can come and go on the open market very quickly. So it does indeed make sense to check often. And perhaps engage in bargaining less often.

    My personal approach has been admittedly passive, investigating instruments that I have become aware of without actively seeking them, which makes sense when considering I'm already more than happy with what I've got. And when one adds into this that I've never been able to find an instrument to top it, one would think I'd have assuaged any such desire to do so. By and large, that IS true. But since I have no store within any reasonable driving distance from me, where I can sample other mandolins, I must take the chance something I find online will be every bit as good as imagined. I've learned, for the reasons mentioned above, and others, that it pays to be proactive if one is looking for a particular type or even example of instrument - someone else may well get to it first.

    That happened twice this year. First, Bruce Weber had an A-4 that seemed like it would be just right, and considering the source, I had plenty of reasons to believe it would be so. But others were also interested in it, and being second in line meant I might as well have been not in the running, without the poignancy. A few months later, there appeared a rather worn F-2 that, while substantially though superficially damaged, had been conscientiously restored. Since it had been through so much yet made eminently playable, it would have been perfectly all right to modify it for playing plugged-in. It was pre-disastered, after all. And all it had been through brought its selling price well within reach. I jumped on it, only to learn that I was second in line, again, this time to someone I know, someone you know. If this person ever decides to trade up or move on for any reason, I hope I'm the first call.

    But for now, I sincerely believe my MAS is assuaged. I'm no longer actively looking - not that I ever was, not to the extent to which the OP and others have been and still are. I'm always open to the possibilities happenstance may provide, but I'm more than content with what I have - I'm satisfied, happy, and grateful. And free. This is the third of the Four Freedoms enumerated in FDR's famous speech: freedom from want. This is truly a blessing, for it allows me, virtually necessitates me, to be accepting of where I am in all of this and what I've got. It's much more important to me to be able to improve my musicality through playing, not acquisition.

    I wish everyone so inclined good fortune in their searching, and the wisdom to realize when the searching is done. That is success.
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    Solution: Playing music instead of buying instruments

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    I live in Canada and used higher-end mandolins are not as plentiful here as they are in other parts of the world. The hassles associated with shipping over international borders, CITES, a weak dollar, etc. have pretty much cured me of any international MAS, GAS or BAS; but show me something cool in Canada and my money is practically yours

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    Default Re: I have MAS and check the classified hourly…

    I have had stretches where I viewed the classifieds twice or three times a week, or sometimes a day. But usually I was looking for a specific type or style of mandolin I had fallen for, just hoping one shows up in the classifieds. It happened once that just exactly what I was looking for and I was told that my query to the seller came in only several minutes after he posted his ad.

    I have rarely searched the classifieds, or any mandolins-for-sale site, with the specific intent of looking for something to fall in love with and buy.

    When I see something somewhere else that I have an interest in, I will often/usually check the classifieds as I would rather buy through the site, all things being equal.
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    Default Re: I have MAS and check the classified hourly…

    It is on my bookmarks bar on my laptop. Everytime I use my laptop, I check the classified.

    However, there have been one or two times when I did not check it, and what I was looking for was no longer available! Must be Murphy's law of checking ads!

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    Default Re: I have MAS and check the classified hourly…

    Lately, looking at mandolin po...pics makes me want to play mine
    2020 Northfield Big Mon
    2016 Skip Kelley A5
    2011 Weber Gallatin A20
    2021 Northfield Flattop Octave Mandolin
    2019 Pono Flattop Octave
    Richard Beard Celtic Flattop
    And a few electrics

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