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    I have been playing mando a little over a year but have been playing acoustic for decades. I am not a trained musician. I have a group of prog rock musicians that I fell into. They have asked me to play the chill part of this (about 3:19 in it sounds like banjo to me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UHwkfhwjsk
    I have looked at guitar tabs for this. They call for Fmaj7 and Cmaj7 which are easy to transpose to mando. However, there is a chord missing that I do not understand - Dadd4add9. I have no idea what that means. Any help on this chord on mando and also what it means would be greatly appreciated

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    Does this mean d-major and add the 4th (G) and the 9th (E)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfishstik View Post
    Does this mean d-major and add the 4th (G) and the 9th (E)?
    Yes, that’s what it means - it would be a chord with five tones: D-F#-G-A-E

    Obviously, on a mandolin you are generally limited to four or less tones per chord, so you just want to find a fingering to play 3 or 4 of those notes that sound the best in your song context. It is not at all unusual to omit notes in a chord, you can omit even the root D … basically, you should experiment to find which notes to play in that context to make it sound the way you want.
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    Default Re: Porcupine Tree - Trains - chord Dadd4add9

    Agreed, Mark, you don't need to get all the notes.

    But if the chord is really d-f#-g-a-e you could get them all by splitting the E course:

    740(03)

    d-f#-a-e-g


    Edit: But listening to the cut, I wonder if maybe the chord name Dadd4add9 just gives the notes to be played arpeggio-style at one point by the banjo? So no need to get them all at once. I'm hearing a figure like a-f#-e-f#-g-f#-a etc., but in a different key. Are you playing it in the same key as on the record?
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    Well, that’s interesting … moving from F# to e to F# to g to f# sounds a lot like a device I’ve used often to pedal from sus2 - 3 - sus4 - 3

    I haven’t actually listened to the piece yet.
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    Default Re: Porcupine Tree - Trains - chord Dadd4add9

    Might be easier to split the D course: 0 0/4 0 0
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    You must have tiny fingers, Martin!

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    Haven't actually tried it!

    Split the E course at the 2nd fret maybe?

    Or just tune one of your G or A strings down to f# ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmando View Post
    Or just tune one of your G or A strings down to f# ...
    Great idea, Martin— the Zenkl approach!

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    Thanks everyone. Very helpful.

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    Yes, same key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Clausen View Post
    You must have tiny fingers, Martin!
    Jethro recommended growing your pinky fingernail a bit if you wanted to use split-string technique
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    Default Re: Porcupine Tree - Trains - chord Dadd4add9

    If you add a 4th it is usual to suspend the 3rd, I believe, hence the sus chords (sus2 or sus4). In this case the F# would be redundant, so the idea of playing the notes as an arpeggio seems sensible.
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    Default Re: Porcupine Tree - Trains - chord Dadd4add9

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Clausen View Post
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    Edit: But listening to the cut, I wonder if maybe the chord name Dadd4add9 just gives the notes to be played arpeggio-style at one point by the banjo? So no need to get them all at once. I'm hearing a figure like a-f#-e-f#-g-f#-a etc., but in a different key. Are you playing it in the same key as on the record?
    I just listened to it and agree with Bruce. The part that starts around 3:17 - 3:19 is a banjo playing a riff part (not strumming chords) and then a guitar comes in playing some moody stuff over the banjo part. The time changes to a triple meter for that part as well (1&2&3&) . "Chill part" is a new one on me. I haven't heard that lingo before. That banjo part is nice and sounds like it would be fun to learn and to play on mandolin. Think riffs and/or phrases instead of chords there. Good Luck!

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    Thank you very much for the feedback and thank you for putting the time in to listen to it. Yes, about 3:17 in. I recognize it is a riff section but this could be based off of a chord structure I assume, that would give you the notes needed (?) without changing positions. Chill part - that came from the folks that asked me to play it.

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    Yeah, that part sounds like a simple Bill Keith type banjo lick— you hold down all the notes you'll need, and then play a melodic figure arpeggio-style, so that everything rings through as much as possible.

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    The tabs in guitar tabs.com are a little unclear. Standard EADGBE tuning but capo up '3rd or 5th fret'. I thought just playing the Fmaj7 and Cmaj7 on mando with no capo sounded about right but maybe I should transpose all 3 of these chords up by 3 or 5 frets and try that.

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    GREAT SONG!!

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    I was able to transpose the arpeggio section note-by-note to mando, no capo, after finding a tab for guitar with a capo 5. But during a lot of this song I could contribute more if I could find a transpose for the following: Dsus2, Cmaj7, Am7. Anyone know chords that would work in there with a mando, no capo?

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    I'm going to pass on the Dsus2 - I'd be guessing - but someone more jazz-minded will advise, I'm sure.

    Cma7 - 5223 or 5577
    Am7- 2233 or 5203

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    An easy cheat… look up the tabs in Ultimate Guitar app. If the guitar chords are shown with a capo, switch instruments to piano and it’ll show chords for no capo. In this case it shows Gsus2 instead of Dsus2.

    (Sounds like a bumper sticker… “what would Gsus2?”)

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    Thank you. I will try this. That is a good tip! Also, it looks like this is just slide the chord up 5- 1/2 notes, or frets. Is that the way it would work with all of these?

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    Yep. Our chord notation convention here is to indicate the fretted note for each string, low to high. Which fingers to use is up to the player.

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    You could skip the F# and play all open strings (fourth, root, fifth, ninth)! Or skip the E and play it 0002 (fourth, root, fifth, third)

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeybear View Post
    Yep. Our chord notation convention here is to indicate the fretted note for each string, low to high. Which fingers to use is up to the player.



    Looks like divine inspiration!
    Thank you @journeybear. Does that also mean that if I need what is called out as an A7 or Am7 on capo 5 on guitar, I can play D7 and Dm7 on mando with no capo?

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