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    In the 50's before any individuals were making F mandolins and Gibson was missing the mark I would say yes, the Loar was the pinnacle and would remain so until other alternatives came about.

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    There is no doubt that the Loar is a fantastic instrument. But is it the pinnacle? I know a lot of modern violin makers get frustrated with having to replicate a 18th century technology in the 21st century. I wonder if our modern mandolin makers (and we are in a golden age) have similar frustrations?
    In my view the issue is confusing the pinnacle with the bullseye. Pinnacles can eventually be exceeded. Not so with bullseyes. There are today plenty of mandolins that sound as good if not better than a Gibson Loar F5, and yes it is possible to build a violin that sounds as good if not better than a Strad. The standard became to sound like target instrument, rather than sound amazing.

    I take rcc's point that there is a history as to how we got here. And possibly it was inevitable. But here we are.

    Another example, IMO, is Freddy Mercury. Yes he was and is in many ways the pinnacle. But I detect some who are legendizing him into being the bullseye. No matter how good one can sing, nobody will sound like Freddy Mercury. So if only FM will do, we gotta problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    In my view the issue is confusing the pinnacle with the bullseye. Pinnacles can eventually be exceeded. Not so with bullseyes. There are today plenty of mandolins that sound as good if not better than a Gibson Loar F5, and yes it is possible to build a violin that sounds as good if not better than a Strad. The standard became to sound like target instrument, rather than sound amazing.

    I take rcc's point that there is a history as to how we got here. And possibly it was inevitable. But here we are.

    Another example, IMO, is Freddy Mercury. Yes he was and is in many ways the pinnacle. But I detect some who are legendizing him into being the bullseye. No matter how good one can sing, nobody will sound like Freddy Mercury. So if only FM will do, we gotta problem.
    That’s excellently put.

    So is a Loar the pinnacle? Or is it a bullseye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    The center of the bullseye cannot ever be exceeded.
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    So having proclaimed my ignorance of the fine details of early bluegrass I did some reading this morning, specifically on the Osbornes and Stanleys.
    It appears Pee Pee Lambert would be a stepping stone in the evolution of the Loar in bluegrass. How about some stories?
    There's a good amount about him online including a 2008 thread here. But not that much about the mandolin connection.
    However reading how 16 year old JD Crowe played with him you can sure see the link from the beginnings of bluegrass into the future when you think of the members of JD's bands.
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    Did you mean ' Pewee Lambert ?

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    Doh!
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    this thing is informative, thanks for this

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    Wasn't Benny Cain going around with a trunk load of Loars back in the late 50's early 60's? I'm sure anyone who followed Monroe knew what he played as you seen more guys with F-5's in the 50's but more so in the 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Smith View Post
    Wasn't Benny Cain going around with a trunk load of Loars back in the late 50's early 60's? I'm sure anyone who followed Monroe knew what he played as you seen more guys with F-5's in the 50's but more so in the 60's.
    This I gathered from advertisements (also of the Benny Cain Loar) at Tony Williamson´s website.
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