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    A rare octave mandola (in the European usage) by Danish mandolin builder Yngve Barslev made in Copenhagen
    Copenhagen in January 1943, with serial no 43

    Here are some measurement and info:
    Overall length 790mm
    Body length 387mm
    Body width at cant 273mm
    Body depth ~150mm
    Nut to 12th fret 236.5mm / 9 5/16”
    Nut to E string saddle 472mm/ 18 9/16”
    Fretboard width at nut 28.5mm
    12th fret 43mm
    Fretboard thickness ~6mm, radiused
    27 frets. 11 to body join
    Neck thickness without fb at nut 18.5mm
    7th fret 28.3mm
    Soundboard spruce, two pieces(?) joined under e strings, not book matched 3.5mm (?) thick
    Soundhole 87x59mm with black/cream/black/cream binding, all 1.5mm wide
    Soundboard bracing three transverse braces ~12mm x 6mm, above and below soundhole and on the cant.
    Body binding 1.5mm x 5mm cream binding and 1.5mm black purfling
    Body Mahogany (?) 26 ribs including two wide ribs 55mm wide at cant. Other ribs max 14mm wide with 1mm maple (?) strips between. 2mm fluting on all narrow ribs
    Neck 2 piece mahogany with WBW veneer laminates in middle

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    That’s a beauty, Graham– like a sports car. Is it yours? Do you have more photos? Do you have photos of other instruments by this maker?
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    Belongs to a member of the local mandolin orchestra and he found it in a antique store in Adelaide. I have taken quite a few photos. There is a small Danish school of mandolin builders which continued through most of last century as I discovered when I made contact with a dedicated guitar collector in Denmark. Here is a photo, that is in the book, of a mandolin by Pedar Stocholm who started the Danish school and Barslev was one of his followers. I will put some more of the mandola up this afternoon. Just realised I have another Barslev mandola pic in the files. Here is that one as well

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    Ah, I have seen this maker's works before. Check out this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    [Please excuse the spelling mistake in the title. I can't seem to edit it. Can anyone else? A hopefully forgivable spelling mistake from an Edinburgher!]

    I've just bought this from our very own Margriet. It will give me a good idea of what is involved in playing an Embergher-style instrument. It will take a week or so to get to me.

    Luthier: Yngue Barslev
    Year: Not sure, but it looks like the luthier did some work on it in 1972
    Provenance: For three decades, it was played in the Hamburg Mandolin Orchestra
    Condition: very good
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    I am thinking that perhaps the extension on the head was broken off at some point. The mandola has suffered some damage in its life and there is the signature of a 57 year old Croatian repairer in Adelaide and a 2003 date (I think that is what it says) on the inside of the soundboard. That suggests that the soundboard may have been removed for repair, but it has been put back very cleanly and neatly.

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    I recently bought a very modest Umberto Ceccherini from the Ebay. Not many Italian bowls at all show up on the US ebay so I took a ringer. It was cosmetically banged up but the neck looked good which was why I dove in.

    After quite a bit of I'm-No-Tavy top repair I strung it up and it sounds as delightful as expected. Great neck per le miei grandi mani.

    However, John and Jim, David and Martin and y'all know what it is like stringing up a bowlback to pitch for the first time after repairs. All that dynamic, lightweight construction and minimalist designed counter forces coming into play and into ear as you slowly creep from C# up to D up to....

    It happens with my archtops, too, for sure, but with a lot less drama. Or fun.

    We had friends over for dinner tonight and I pulled out the UC to show them and play a pit over coffee. My friend, who is a sailor and has restored a few wooden sailboats for his family was totally fascinated by the Ceccherini and my resurrection story.

    He said "That sounds like what I go through the first time I raise sail on newly ready boat and the wind commences blowing."

    If only.

    Bowlback love just grows stronger.

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    I finally found my Ceccherini on this thread—it is easier than finding the actual mandolin, but, in any case, it saves uploading the same pics again.

    In any case, it looks like someone bollixed up the bridge which is why it just sits there unplayed. What a shame! Especially now since I must travel to see Mick so we can play Ceccherini duets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I finally found my Ceccherini on this thread—it is easier than finding the actual mandolin.....
    Now that's funny, Jim.

    Your UC is ever more refined and detailed than the modest one I just acquired (pictures forthcoming). Don't know whether mine is an early model, junior model or practice model for Umberto, Junior.

    I do need to change out the bridge (as it is a decent replacement) to something more in the line of the string-separator-with-bone / brass bearing. Getting deft at making one of these myself wouldn't be the worst thing for me.

    The string spacer / zero fret at the nut is of one piece, which is a nice bit of fussy work from the UC folks, which may not be for the better. My hunch is that the two piece setup, like on yours, allows for more careful profiling of each component in the assembly.

    Very nice sounding mandolin, nonetheless.

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    I'm a bit surprised that this LE from 1888 hasn't shown up here (or maybe it has previously.)

    Pretty interesting for me to see the proto-bowl profile and how clunky it is, given the gracefulness of LE's mature work. Of course, there's the wooden tuning pegs.

    The early label is also muy coolioso, I think. A pity that there is so much reflection from the camera flash.

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    1779 Johannes Vinaccia Mandolone

    I especially like the music sheets attached to the back of the bowl. I wonder what piece that is. Mght have to try playing what I can see of it.

    MANDOLONE VINACCIA 1779 - restored by Blanchi in 1896 as for 2 internal signature (see the photos)
    The back is of course original Vinaccia as for some decoration of the top
    Very rare and important instrument
    Size: Total Length 115 cm - String Length - 78 cm
    I am selling it as I found, not stringed; probably Mandolone strings could be used in this instrument
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    I'm not conversant in how to post but I wanted to ask the community if they have any knowledge about a mandolin my grandfather left me a while back. I will try to add pictures of it. I do not know much about mandolins so any help is appreciated.

    The inside label says "A. Galiano" and "Chitarre e Mandolini". My grandfather brought it with him from New York when he moved to Los Angeles.

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    Some discussion on Galiano on this old thread.

    BTW this is not a bowlback mandolin but we can answer your questions nonetheless. Galiano was likely a distributor. That mandolin almost looks like an oval hole version that could have been made by the same company that made Strad-0-Lin mandolins, decent budget-priced instruments. Galiano was located in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Some discussion on Galiano on this old thread.

    BTW this is not a bowlback mandolin but we can answer your questions nonetheless. Galiano was likely a distributor. That mandolin almost looks like an oval hole version that could have been made by the same company that made Strad-0-Lin mandolins, decent budget-priced instruments. Galiano was located in New York.
    Dear Jim Garber,

    My friend Eric Renshaw suggested that you are the authority on early mandolins... I have a "milanese/lombardic" mandolin (bought from Pagano's music shop in Edinburgh some 40 years ago) . It has no makers sign or label, and two unusual features
    A - peghead has a violin-type scroll rather than the usual "square block"
    B - a double-layer body, with dark (rosewood?) ribs in the usual "head-to-tail" direction, and a lining of light (spruce?) wood strips in a left-to-right direction.

    Any suggestions on possible makers? I could send you some photographs if that would be useful.

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    New on the Cafe classifieds today is this Antonio Grauso mandolin:

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    It's a new name to me, and a nice looking instrument. Have we seen anything else by this maker? Apparently he was an immigrant from Naples working in NYC in the early 20th century.

    The ad links to a video by the owner (an infrequent poster here), where the playing and the instrument both sound very good.

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    Grauso also lists on his labels as a disciple of Luigi Ricca. Grauso mandolins are generally nice instruments.
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    Here is an example of a label from AG where "Naples / New York" is noted. This is the one I'm most familiar with.

    For no verifiable reason, I had AG down as an importer / dealer rather than a maker...but if as Jim suggests he was working with Ricca that would change that. Do you have a label image, Jim, where he cites Ricca? That would be cool to see.

    From one of Sheri Mignano's compilations I also have note of him as a "publisher".

    I don't have her book handy so hopefully she might see this thread and weigh in on what she knows about AG.

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    Here is a better version of the label you show, Mick. and the next one has "disciples of L. Ricca" with the date of 1895 so that might be used on only the earliest examples.

    Grauso does say that his shop are makers but i think we have seen that bending of the truth on other distributors. OTOH I think the disciples notation might mean something. I assume it was a way to get some street cred for AG as a maker. Ricca obviously trained a few others.

    Biggio was another maker who even copied the style of the Luigi Ricca's labels and called himself the "first disciple." (see attached).
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    Here is one of the fanciest Antonio Grauso mandolins I have seen. It was sold by Lark Street Music about 12 years ago or so.Click image for larger version. 

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    Yes, Grauso worked for and with Ricca before he opened his own shop on Grand. My Grauso says Napoles and New York.
    He went back to Naples a few times as his business grew. "Guitar Heroes" inspired my book and the Ricca-Grauso connection
    is in it. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a3fpy2nnk...G89Zac0Da?dl=0 you can download the book.
    Grauso's brother was also a luthier but apparently had a separate shop.

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    Here is a better version of the label you show, Mick. and the next one has "disciples of L. Ricca" with the date of 1895 so that might be used on only the earliest examples.

    Grauso does say that his shop are makers but i think we have seen that bending of the truth on other distributors. OTOH I think the disciples notation might mean something. I assume it was a way to get some street cred for AG as a maker. Ricca obviously trained a few others.

    Biggio was another maker who even copied the style of the Luigi Ricca's labels and called himself the "first disciple." (see attached).
    That's a great photo, Jim, but actually of a slightly different label design.

    I love the use of "disciple". A lot deeper than the more common "allievo".

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    That's a great photo, Jim, but actually of a slightly different label design.

    I love the use of "disciple". A lot deeper than the more common "allievo".

    Mick
    Yes, you are correct, that is a different label with some illustrated ribbons. I don't have any examples of that label in my files.
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    Modern Embergher 5bis copy by Dietrich at Bernunzio. I am unfamiliar with this German Shop.

    Looks like this is the page on their website showing mandolins.

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    I did not know that they also made Embergher copy mandolins. Here's a picture from the instruments exhibition at the Eurofestival in Bruchsal, Germany 2018.

    This is another one showing a flyer on the table with an Embergher style mandolin head...
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    That looks like an outstandingly beautiful divorce!

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    There's an Embergher in Germany for sale right now:

    https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...45466-74-19761

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