Cherokee shuffle

[Kevin Briggs]

Here's Cherokee Shuffle for yins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-p4UyZKqS4

It's in D, but I think the standard key is A.

[Tom C]

Without yet seeing the video. It's probably Lost Indian. It's the same as Cherokee Shuffle but in "D" and without the extra measure in the "B" part. Now to go check it out....

Oh you played it DOH!

[Kevin Briggs]

I'm all confused! I learned it from a Steve Kauffman publication, and as middle of the road as his versions are, he is actually pretty liberal with some of the finer details like titles and measures. That's him probbaly just winging it a lot of the time. When you can play in any key like him, it's probably tough remembering which key a song is typically played in.

[groveland]

Hey, Briggadier - That's nice. However, is it "Theory, Technique, Tips and Tricks" or is it really "Song and Tune Projects"? Didn't your posts of this kind get moved by the moderator to a more appropriate forum in the past? Just wondering.

[Kevin Briggs]

I'm not sure if they did or not, but I'll be sure to post them there next time. I forgot about that forum. Thanks for the veiled message.

I post the videos as lessons for people who might be trying to learn the song, not as self-promotion. It's just an effort to help people who want to get started on simple versions of the tunes, and it's a good clean hobby for me. That being the case, I can see how it fits into the "...tips..." catagory.

I'll happily post wherever the panties are least likely to get in an uproar.

[groveland]

No panties here. And if there were, they would not be in an uproar.

Remember when they started this forum? My take on it at the time was it started because there was a growing interest in music theory. I think (and I could be wrong) that initially there was skepticism regarding whether theory alone would merit and support a dedicated forum. The inital discussions (threads) about the proposed forum seemed to sketch it out as all about theory - But when when it was actually launched, it had the 'Technique, Tips and Tricks' added.

That's great, and it's served us very, very well. But often a thread gets thrown in that could do better on another forum, or sometimes simply has absolutely nothing to do with 'Theory, Technique, Tips and Tricks'. (They're pretty self evident, I think.)

My problem is, I LOVE (and miss) those great theory discussions and debates of old. They are few and far between now, and it's heavy on the Technique, Tips and Tricks. So when a post is really on the periphery, it stands out to me.

Will there ever be a "lessons" forum? Probably not, because there aren't that many posts of that sort to warrant it. So I suppose there's really no home for videos of players breaking it down for each other.

So you've gotta bear with me! I kindof had an idea in my head of what this forum should be. Fact is, it was never my place to say, and I was out of line for saying anything at all. That's what moderators are for!

Carry on!

[jhbaylor]

Kevin,

Keep up the good work and there are many of us out here who like to see the clips, and the slowed down version. There are people out there who like to complain just for the sake of complaining, don't worry about it.
John

[gregjones]

Kevin,

I liked your "Hesitation Blues". #No............I loved it. #It's been one of my favorite songs since the first Hot Tuna album 35 years ago.

Thanks for posting your stuff where ever it might land----correct forum or not. #Perhaps you might get a list of those who don't have anything better to do than worry about where you post it, then send them a PM to let them know you are about to post something, let them argue about where it goes and then put it where they decide is best.

Just do me one favor, PM me as to it's location so that I don't miss it.

Thanks,
Greg

[Kevin Briggs]

Thanks for the messages. One of my biggest regrest is my innate ability to let tt tuff get to me. I will officially stop doing so... now!

[Ken Olmstead]

Kevin,

Should be able to change that from D to A by just moving the whole maryanne down to the higher 3 strings instead of the lower 3. Looks like you will loose a double stop in the arrangement and have to possibly reach for the highest note in the tune with the pinky but totally doable. If I am wrong remember it is still early here!

Hey, if that works does it qualify as a "tip?"

I don't know if this new forum has the capablility but on the banjohangout there is a place specifically for posting your youtubes (or other vids) without having to worry about "self promotion." It is not like we are selling anything like you say. Just a way of satisfying the performance part of our hobby. I think many folks like to see what each other is doing and it is a great way to encourage and learn from each other.

Nice version by the way!!

Ken

[fishdawg40]

Good work helping beginners Kevin. Forget the self-promotion thing. Some people want to video themselves and some people don't. I haven't gotten around to it yet but probably will soon. Also, it serves as a record of your playing. We all should do it for that reason alone. I remember that incident with the guy who said that you had bad intentions. Just keep on keepin' on (like you are) and if it genuine most will take it as that.

[Kevin Briggs]

Joe,

Thanks for the encouragement. I also like to use it as a way to record teh maturation process of my mandolin. In fact, that's why I originally started the recordings. I grew to like it so much that I started using the videos as light instructional pieces. It also motivates me to learn new material, as I actually have over 100 subscribers to the site. I want to keep churning out basic versions until i can learn them and play them with my eyes closed. That hasn't happened yet. In the meantime, I'm working on some harder stuff on my own, but that's, well, harder.

[Steve Cantrell]

I always enjoy your posts, Kevin. Dig the videos and that Fern's tone. You taught me "Road to Columbus" last week. Forum, schmorum.

[Mandolusional]

Thanks again, it's one thing I can always use work on is learning by sight and sound. Great tone as usual, did you end up adjusting the bridge for the humidity?

[groveland]

How did the topic of "self-promotion" get mixed in here? It seems to be a theme. It sure wasn't me, because I backed off and explained at post #6!

[mandolirius]

tt tuff? Hey Kevin, what does this mean?

[mando.player]

I moved this over to the Song and Tune Projects board.

[Fliss]

I really enjoyed that, thanks. I'm confused though, because that's the tune I know as "Cherokee Shuffle" in the key I know it; is it "Cherokee Shuffle" or is it "Lost Indian"?

I'm starting to work through Butch Bandassari's book which includes it, and although I haven't got to it there yet, that version is definitely in A.

Fliss

[woodwizard]

Keep up the good work Kevin. As some mentioned earlier if it has a differenet (B) part and not just playing the same melody in a higher octive it probably is Cherokee Shuffel otherwise most will call it the Lost Indian. The Lost Indian is normally played in the key of (D) and the Cherokee Shuffel is normally played in (A). Both are great fiddle tunes

[Kevin Briggs]

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I learned it in the key of 'A' without the extra measure, and now I recognize that as "Cherokee Shuffle." I wouldn't have been able to do so without your help, and I appreciate that.

Please feel free to check out a basic version of an original song i am working on. It is on the front page of my YouTube site.

[DryBones]

Kevin,
What book did you get that version from? I would very much like an easy learner of that song. Anybody ever watch that show on PBS "Song of the Mountains"? Pretty sure this is the theme song used for that show.

[Bruce Evans]

I play a very similar arrangement of this tune in D which I learned from the Carp Camp web site. It is called Cherokee Shuffle there.

[Barb Friedland]

Kevin,
This is great and really helpful. I really appreciate how clearly the vid shows your fingering hand and that you included a slow version. This is one of my favorite tunes. Keep these lesson video posts coming!

[Kevin Briggs]

I learned the song from Steve Kauffman's first "Four Hour Bluegrass Workout" publication. Kauffman also plays it in 'D' and calls it "Cherokee Shuffle." I think he is just pretty loosey goosey with arrangments and probably threw it together on the spot.

It is worth noting that in Kauffman's second "Four Hour Bluegrass Workout" he plays it in 'A' and plays "Lost Indian" in 'D,' the way people have described it earlier in this thread.