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    Graham, the 'Fratelli Vinaccia' (senza Gennaro e Achille) I posted above has a date of 1902 on it, a bit before Gennaro's passing. Great to see such a late Vinaccia......

    Chicago, eh? (Good luck with that.) If someone can bring some clarity to the Regal/L+H/Larson/Mauer/Stahl/Bohmann/Brandt etc. incestuosity they would deserve the keys to the city. Keef's book on Washburn is a good start if you haven't checked it, but it is the tip of the iceberg.

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    Perhaps I was misreading. This one looks like 1909?

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    Some labels from 1909 and after plus one later Antonio one.
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    Graham, I meant this one: 'Fratelli V fu P senza G e A' label, 1902.

    Whoa, Santiago, you are flooring me here with that 'label bomb'...... Muy excellente. When folks have everything dealt, I'll try to put this altogether into a 'label-o-timeline' and post as a .pdf.

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    Whoa, James, we have now two additional addresses for the peripatetic fratelli:

    Via Guglielmo San Felice 22 on the 1909 label, and

    Via Chiatamone 32 on the 1923 label.

    This is very curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Whoa, Santiago, you are flooring me here with that 'label bomb'...... Muy excellente. When folks have everything dealt, I'll try to put this altogether into a 'label-o-timeline' and post as a .pdf.
    Hah! There is a cafe user named Santiago and I thought he posted here... ˇYo deseo de adquirir todas las etiquetas, mi amigo!
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    Jim, among my oldest/best pals down in Austin is one Santiago Cotera. I think of each of you when writing to the other!

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    I have Gugliarmo San Felice 22 on three labels from 1909 1913 and 1915
    and Via Chatamone 32 on two from 1922 and 1927, as well as one from Guiseppe at the same address in 1927 (although the year is indistinct)

    and then the Via S Sebastiono 35 from 1939 (if I read that one right)

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    Nice work, lads. The three 1923 labels in Jim's post are interesting; looks like the New York importer E. Rossi has added a sticker expressly designed to obscure the Naples address of the workshop. The German importer Moderne Musik simply puts their own label (like for example the Voigt Ceccherini labels), so that we don't even know which Vinaccia company built the instrument. Do we have photos of the mandolin that label is in?

    Interesting too that in 1923 the Fratelli outfit are still touting an award won 30 years earlier in Chicago.

    Why are we seeing labels signed "Fratelli Vinaccia" twice in two different hands?

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    Two brothers, so even if one or both had passed on, there would still be two signatures...

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    Here a photo of the label of a 1913 Gaetano Vinaccia. I would like to restore the markings for the place of the bridge. As there are only remains of them, I would like to see an example to draw them again. Does anyone have pictures of those ? How were these made, drawn with pencil, burned ? Were they only made by Gaetano or do you find them more often, at other makers ?
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    Hi Margriet,

    Nice!
    Photo with measurements of such a (compleete) bridge will be on it's way to you soon.

    Best, Alex .

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    Searching for late 18th century work drawings (templates) of Neapolitan mandolins as Domenico Vinaccia.
    Does anyone have such or knows how and where to get it?

    Thanks

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    Sorry to revive the old thread. 1934 Vinaccia. Plain instrument and needs work, but got it for a song.

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    Nothing to apologize for, Victor, this is great to see, however modest. Nice, actually, to keep these clearly titled, singularly focussed threads alive.

    1934, Via Chiatamone. That is a fairly late Vinaccia at least relative to examples in my files (which unfortunately I don't have access to right now.)

    I hope it turns out playable and an enjoyable mandolin.

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    Maybe a statment far too bold, but it looks like it could be the latest known Vinaccia so far. At least I couldn't find the reference in the net to any later dated instrument. The latest I could find was a mentioning of 1933 mandola.

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    But according to Graham there is one from 1939

    "and then the Via S Sebastiono 35 from 1939 (if I read that one right)" so my statement is incorrect

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    The 1939 model is also a very modest instrument by Vinaccia-n standards.

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    I've found some genealogical records on Vinaccia family. https://familysearch.org/search/coll...ion_id=1937990

    Thought it needs to be shared. Lots of information from 19C.

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    Another Via San Sebastiano 35 label here, looks like:

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    Who knows we may be able to see the label from early 1940's there. Needs to be bought by a cafe member, I think. Especially for $60.00 The case costs that much, so Vinaccia is thown in for free, actually.
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    Thre are over 300 entries for Vinaccia family in the database. It's a pity it only goes up to 1865.

    Just some matches from which only Achille and Gennaro plus their father Pasquale appears to be a 100% match. Of the others I am not too sure about. Anyway, there we go:

    Mariantonia De Grandi

    Mother

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    spouse:
    Pasquale Vinaccia
    child:
    Gennaro Maria Giosuč Francesco Luigi Raimondo Salvatore

    Achille Vinaccia

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    birth:
    29 October 1836
    Quartiere San Ferdinando, Napoli, Napoli, Italy
    father:
    Pasquale Vinaccia
    mother:
    Mariantonia De Grandi


    Gaetano Vinaccia

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    birth:
    1813
    Napoli
    marriage:
    14 August 1836
    Quartiere San Ferdinando, Napoli, Napoli, Italy
    father:
    Vincenzo Vinaccia
    mother:
    Silvia Cardamone
    spouse:
    Giovanna Contardi
    other:
    Francesco Contardi, Francesca Consales

    Antonio Vinaccia

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    birth:
    28 December 1856
    Quartiere Montecalvario, Napoli, Napoli, Italy
    father:
    Matteo Vinaccia
    mother:
    Vincenza Panza


    Antonio Vinaccia

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    birth:
    12 April 1848
    Quartiere Vomero, Napoli, Napoli, Italy
    father:
    Raffaele Vinaccia
    mother:
    Anna De Luca


    Pasquale Vinaccia

    Italy, Napoli, Civil Registration (State Archive), 1809-1865
    birth:
    27 June 1837
    Quartiere Vomero, Napoli, Napoli, Italy
    father:
    Raffaele Vinaccia
    mother:
    Maria Gargiulo

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    There you go - 1940's

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    Firstly hello to fellow forum users,

    This is my first forum post. I have an instrument inherited from my father's family that has an internal label that fits the format mentioned above by Bruce Clausen, i. e. it names the prizes gained at the 1893 and 1898 World Fairs. The instrument I have is in the UK now, but I don't know whether it was exported or bought during a journey to Italy. Any thoughts on the provenance indicated by the label would be welcome. The date appears to be 1929.

    I've included the best shots I could get of the label, but it is still inside an instrument (also shown) so I am writing out the text as far as I can interpret it, below.

    As far as I know this instrument is not a mandolin but may be a ukelele or guitar. It was left with my father's family by a family friend who sadly never came back from WWII, and I inherited it from my father. I am going to add a fuller text with a linked album to the "What have I got?' thread.

    However adding to the VInaccia label thread, my best interpretation of the full label is:

    At top of label what appears to be F.lli. Vinaccia handwritten
    Then in print what appears to be
    F.LLI. VINACCIA fu P.LE & Co.
    FABRICANTI DI STRUMENTI ARMONICI
    fornitori della R Casa d’Italia
    Primo Premio Chicago 1893 Primo Premio London 1898
    RUE CHIATAMONTE 32 NAPOLI 1929 (last digit handwritten)

    With thanks for any reflections and hoping this post meets the required forum etiquette!
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    Hello, Daisy.... I don't think I can help you in terms of what your instrument actually is. An Italo-Ukelele? I don't know.

    The label, though, is an example of one of the numerous branches of the Vinaccia family of instrument makers, which by 1929 were well into their second century of work.

    The label refers to the fratelli Vinaccia--the Vinaccia Brothers--fu Pasquale. My understanding of "fu" as opposed to "di" is that the former refers to a deceased parent.

    Nice to have a date associated with the Via Chiatamonte location. In addition to the various members of the family making mandolins (and small ukelele-like instruments apparently) they had a number of different addresses in Napoli.

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