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Very interesting. I've never seen one like it before - seems to be a custom, one-off for Julius Belson (of whom I am unfamiliar)?
http://cgi.ebay.com/270790598073
Very interesting. I've never seen one like it before - seems to be a custom, one-off for Julius Belson (of whom I am unfamiliar)?
Julius Bellson was the brother of famous jazz drummer Louie Bellson. He worked for Gibson as a historian if I'm not mistaken, and wrote The Gibson Story, an official history of the company.
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Very interesting. The sellers description says it incorporates several features including the extend fret board, truss rod, and the body finish found only in later f-5's. Most unusual for an F-4 from 1921 or any previous year. I wonder why the missing point was special ordered?
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No reserve mentioned, bidding under $1300 with four days to go...wonder where it'll end up? The unusual features and provenance make this a "natural" for a Gibson collector, or a general mandolin collector.
Regarding the missing point, the seller says it was to facilitate access to the highest frets, which squares with the extended fretboard. Apparently Mr. Bellson liked playing the really high notes.
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There also is a mandolin in this era that was missing some feature because the wife of the conductor didn't like it poking her in the breasts if I remember correctly... Also I seem to remember this mandolin being out in the LA during the 90's and for sale by an older gentleman that played classical .
I gotta be honest......that's ugly as sin!
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Yeah, trim two features and chnage the headstock- it could be a snakehead A!
It looks great to me. The point enables muscle memory to zero in where they are, however this was an out of the box moment. You can get set up to play way up the board. I played it 10 years ago and it wasn't set up. You could see by the wear and know exactly what they were thinking.The board extending over the sound hole has always been problematic with me on all mandos as well as pick guards covering part of a sound hole as well. Please do not bid.
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OK, I want it...just for the record.
Somewhere, I seem to think I have seen a picture of Julius with the mandolin in a band setting... does anyone know where that might have been ? On the cover of a Gibson catalogue or something ?
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I spoke with Mr Bellson many years ago, when I had a question about the A2Z mandolins. In what little I recall of that conversation, he indicated that he had an A-style mandolin (an A-4, if I recall correctly).
I'm at work and unable to access ebay, but before bidding on the instrument, I'd make a strong effort to check the provenance, to be sure it belonged to Mr B. (If that consideration was important to me as a bidder, anyway).
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That is definately Julius's mandolin. You can see a picture of him holding it in the ebay listing, I believe.
That one is well known, with provenance. Louis was his brother, but, in this case, more importantly, so was Albert. Albert was one of the most important musicians of his day.
I think this is an interesting modification in light of D'Angelico's take on the F5 design, currently for sale on ebay as well. In that F5 "copy" (sort of) the lower bottom point was omitted, and he kept the high point... just the reverse of this instrument modification. In my view... THIS one makes some sense... clears up obstruction to get to higher frets, AND keeps the value of the lower point in resting/holding position on leg in playing.... Both of those things I have thought about when playing... the benefit of that lower point ref an A model, to me is very beneficial... while the "treble point" really is a bit of a nuisance... one always gets used to whatever is in your hands to some degree...
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I have a problem with that along the grain dip or crack in the top...8th pic looking straight down on it
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#66719 if I'm not mistaken.. I had two records of this same instrument, the other had digit #3 as a 1. I'm going with Frank's read of the label which was 66719!
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Way too much coolness going on with that mando to really pick on it too much, but wouldn't you have removed the other point? That's the only one that's ever bugged me.
I note the fingerboard extension matches Ken's Funky F4 #22712.
#22712 seems to have 31 frets - and #66719 looks like 29, same as an F-5?
it's gone..
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They will probably re-list it with a reserve unless they decided it was just too unique to let go after finding their way here.
Or someone made them an offer they couldn't refuse..
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I hate when sellers do that. Personally I think they are shooting themselves in the foot, since most serious bidders will snipe at the last minute. It is in the bidder's interest to end the auction early esp for a one of a kind item like this. Who knows how high it will go.
I wonder if Howie was able to get it. it would be nice if someone here did in any case.
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Latest word that I had was that the seller was offering it for a friend.... who was a close bud with Aubrie Hainey, and Aubrie ended up with it.... From my perspective, it couldn't end up in better hands...
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