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    I'm wondering if there exists a list of "pupils of Vinaccia" (apprentices who studied uder the various "Vinaccias"... i know the topics been discussed here before?

    I was unaware that there was a Vinaccia Family Tree on Musica Viva HERE and included in that is also a list of appretices (which includes family members.. as follows:
    • Gaetano Esposito
    • Pasquale Esposito
    • Garibaldi
    • the Gennaro brothers
    • Michele Maratea
    • Gennaro Rubino (pupil of Fratelli Vinaccia)
    • Giuseppe Seraphino (pupil of "G. Vinaccia"
    • Raffaelle Tieri (pupil of Fratelli Vinaccia)

    but there must have been lots more who studied and learn under "the Vinaccias" ??

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    Ian: check out this older thread on the Vinaccias (Is the plural: Vinacci?). I know we were mostly concentrating on the family but there is some listing of the allievi as well.
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    Nice link, trebleclef. Your shortcut wasn't working for me on my browser for some reason, so I thought to add an alternate just in case:

    Vinaccia Allievi

    Jim, how about vinacce?

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinaccia

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    Thanks Jim, i knew there had been a previous thread but couldnt find it.
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    to add to this list : Antonio SALVINO, allievo dei Fratelli Vinaccia, which was sold by Ricordi in London (1894)
    I also have got from South America a small octave mandolin (maybe a mandoliola ?) by Antonio Salvito (sic), pupil of Vinaccia, 1891 (but this one is not so nice, the pupil was far away from the teacher, or the label is a fake...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietrobono View Post
    to add to this list : Antonio SALVINO, allievo dei Fratelli Vinaccia, which was sold by Ricordi in London (1894)
    I also have got from South America a small octave mandolin (maybe a mandoliola ?) by Antonio Salvito (sic), pupil of Vinaccia, 1891 (but this one is not so nice, the pupil was far away from the teacher, or the label is a fake...)

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    A label from Salvino.

    From this example on Ebay:

    Salvino Mandolin


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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    A label from Salvino.

    From this example on Ebay:

    Salvino Mandolin


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    Thanks Jean-Paul... Thanks Mick.

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    Performing a search I thought I would add this for posterity.

    It should not disappear in the future.

    Otherwise, search for "The Classical Mandolin" by Paul Sparks.
    (For this topic go to page 39)

    Taken from a firsthand account of a workshop visit of the Flli. Vinaccia during the 1880's..

    The value of these instruments, as well as other Italian traditional mandolins, should be far greater than what we see today.
    Sure it's great for us (at the moment) .. but saddens me for their memory as such great craftsmen.


    As a fine art painter, I see the same of course flipping through auction catalogs. People have no idea what sacrifices they made (make), and to see things sell for £200 is sad.

    But I digress (again)..

    PS: It remains "Vinaccia". Just as the word "hair" does..

    The article "the" only would take the plural form to make your reference of "Vinaccia" plural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiccoloPrincipe View Post
    Performing a search I thought I would add this for posterity.

    Taken from a firsthand account of a workshop visit of the Flli. Vinaccia during the 1880's..

    The value of these instruments, as well as other Italian traditional mandolins, should be far greater than what we see today.
    Sure it's great for us (at the moment) .. but saddens me for their memory as such great craftsmen.

    Very interesting. I suppose their relatively low prices go towards explaining the "explosion" of Neapolitan mandolin popularity around the turn of the century. Pane e mandolini per tutti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiccoloPrincipe View Post

    As a fine art painter, I see the same of course flipping through auction catalogs. People have no idea what sacrifices they made (make), and to see things sell for £200 is sad.
    To be fair, the ones going for GBP200 are not Vinaccia mandolins, where the name recognition still works to get the prices higher. Even the "allievi di" mandolins typically sell for around GBP400 to 600, as do those made by "second-tier" makers with a degree of name recognition, such as Ceccherini, Salsedo or Monzino ("second tier" by collectors' value, not necessarily musical quality). Inevitably, there is some variability in these prices, especially in brick-and-mortar auctions where those few bowlback collectors who can identify the good makers are unlikely to be present inperson. Auction catalogues are not very reliable in any case as they are estimates, not actual sales prices, and the auctioneers themselves may not know the makers' reputations.

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    I'm researching a French woman named "Madame Veuve" neι "Reine Vinaccia". Has anyone come across her name in the Vinaccia family tree? I'm anxious to locate her.
    I believe she died in 1933. merci bc
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    Actually, her name was Renιe (Renata? its Italian equivalency) Vinaccia, not Veuve--which only refers to her widowed status. I think I've located her but still don't know her status in the Vinaccia family. Perhaps a daughter of one of the famous luthiers? stay tuned. Thanks.
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