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All these crazy prices make me appreciate my F2 all the more.
Right? The damage it sustained didn't affect its playability, at least after the luthier was done fixing it. Of course, it's no longer collectible, which in some ways is a good thing - it kept the price down, yet if it plays fine, that's what matters. This A model, though ... I don't know what the seller is thinking. It needs a lot of work. Yes, they promise to do the job right, but restored and refinished? Not for that much. And they really should stop calling it an A-2. Look at the label, look at the headstock. ĦAy caramba!
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Other differences that occurred in the early 1920's: The necks were slimmed down sometime during 1922 or '23. Adjustable bridges start to appear in 1921. At some point, the cam style pickguard clamp is phased out and replaced with a screw-in mounting bracket. The flowerpot peghead inlay is redesigned to accommodate the truss rod. None of these changes occurred overnight, they were phased in gradually.
I think the magic "Loar" tone comes from the new pickguard bracket and the redesigned flowerpot.
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Right. Far from it blocking the sound coming out of the treble f-hole, it resonated, initiating the production of even more brilliant tones and higher volume. Ever notice how much people ask for vintage pickguards? This is why. A dirty little secret that, now I've told, might see me suffer the consequences if the Virzi mob can find me. I might have to alert the Bluegrass Police.
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No, that's not it at all. The old bracket exerted vertical tension on the mandolin rib, which restricted its horizontal oscillations and increased the resonant frequency of the rib beyond its ideal critical value. The new bracket relieved the rib of this tension so that its vibrations could be transmitted through the air in a parabolic arch and collected in the new, more efficiently designed flowerpot. The new flowerpot had a higher resonant frequency than the old one, which had the same "Q" as the newly released rib vibrations, which caused them to bounce when they hit the bottom of the flowerpot and spring out with highly magnified velocity right towards the player's ear.
I know I'm right-- I took a 13 week course in non-calculus based physics in 1982 and got an "A".
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This guy is going to need more than $8500 or $9999.11 to pay his legal bill if Garrett Park spots his ad and decides to report him to the Federal Trade Commission for using that image of their old A-2 listing with the intentionally modified price. I wonder if he knows how to spell F-R-A-U-D.
Now this is really quite unattractive:
https://cartervintage.com/collection...bson-a-5-1960s
Not lump-scroll unattractive, but pretty close....
I assume it went to Gibson and had a new label pasted in for some reason. I didn't know that an extra bridge and saddles could add so much to the "value" of an instrument! I nearly fell over when I saw the price!
Here's a bowlback that would require repairs/restoration greater than the value of the instrument:
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...419658521.html
Homemade? Weird adaptation of something? I give up.
Pretty sure it's a cut down comb. As in men's hair comb. That's a first for me. Never seen that before.
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Bridge moved north to compensate high action from cracked neck and probably made lower than original, but the seller admits problems and lack of knowledge, so probably honest! At least not a dental bridge.
Glue isn’t gonna fix this one, and it looks like an economy model, so project for a hobbyist at best. So unless someone id’s it as the long lost masterpiece of some long departed master, even I wouldn’t pay shipping to get it free.
But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. - Dennis Miller
Furthering Mandolin Consciousness
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I did a quick search "garrett park guitars gibson mandolin a2" and the first URL returned does, indeed, have a price of $9999.11
I don't get it, but there it is. And I've been waiting for someone to ask the $8500 seller if his price is off by a decimal point.
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as RCC noted there *are* differences, however the bottom line is that the market will bear these prices and there are buyers who will value them at that level or near to it. And lately I don’t really recall many dealers pricing exc condition f-4s at $5k. I seem them more at $6-7k and exc F-2s at $4-5k. And I have also noticed that at most boutique shops the A models have creeped up to $5k+. We will see what the market will bear. This thread is a bunch of us joking about the ridiculous levels that asking prices have risen to.
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Then there is this 1975 F-5....
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The Garret Park Guitars website does indeed have that listing - though it is listed as sold, with no price displayed. So someone did buy it, but we have no info regarding what was the actual selling price.
Yes, among other things, but definitely geared toward jocularity and astonishment at such things. It does seem that most instances reported here are outliers, not indicators of trends. Though someone could play around with the math and concoct some sort of theoretical analysis concerning serious matters. But yeah, we're just having a bit of fun here, usually at the expense of sellers who are greedy, underinformed, or just plain wrongheaded. There seems to be an endless supply of them.
But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. - Dennis Miller
Furthering Mandolin Consciousness
Finders Keepers, my duo with the astoundingly talented and versatile Patti Rothberg. Our EP is finally done, and available! PM me, while they last!
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